What Brought you in to Politics?

**Liche** · Subject: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 1:20 am

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now. These interests never left, just they added on to each other.

Animals
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Conspiracy Theories
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The Mafia
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Cuba
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Politics
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Political Philosophy
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Anti Capitalism
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Communsim

**MightyObserver** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 1:24 am

I do I start at the top or the bottom of the chart? At the top?

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 1:30 am

MightyObserver wrote:

I do I start at the top or the bottom of the chart? At the top?

Top.

**MightyObserver** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 1:36 am

As for your actual question, the short answer is: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warefare.

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Liche wrote:

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now.

You're young now.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 1:40 am

MightyObserver wrote:

As for your actual question, the short answer is: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warefare.

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Liche wrote:

For me, it was my love of Conspiracy theories. This is basic a chart of my intrests from when I was young to now.

You're young now.

Yes When I was about 2 years old I loved animals, I wanted to be a Zoo Keeper.

**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 10:01 pm

I think it brought because... well I dont really know, I was just inresting in the colors of parties and always saw at election days cool posters, so ya then I studied a little on the Dutch pairlement, and now I <3 politics. Yay.

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I wanted to be a Zoo Keeper

lmao XD!
Not that its wrong, just funnny.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Mon May 25, 2009 11:00 pm

My nature as a human being - my need to interact with other human beings, the product of everyone's need to do so and teh product of this interaction through history which allowed me both a physical, mental and emotional development and the constant development of these represented in enhanced cognoscitive, interactive and pragmatic proficiences all of which will be developing until the day I die..

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 12:03 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My nature as a human being - my need to interact with other human beings, the product of everyone's need to do so and teh product of this interaction through history which allowed me both a physical, mental and emotional development and the constant development of these represented in enhanced cognoscitive, interactive and pragmatic proficiences all of which will be developing until the day I die..

Lol so, in other words, you are a robot designed to interact with humans to help them.

**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 12:15 am

Liche wrote:

Lol so, in other words, you are a robot designed to interact with humans to help them.

Made by the Soviet Union to destory capitalism world wide, for ze future.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 12:56 am

No. That's a general axiom.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 2:20 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

No. That's a general axiom.

Yea, but just the way you said it was pretty emotionless.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 3:53 am

Liche wrote:

Yea, but just the way you said it was pretty emotionless.

Why should I express any emotion in regards to that?

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 5:50 am

I probably started becoming politically aware in 2000, following the sham of an election that took place here in the United States - granted, I've come to the point where I kind of have to regard all elections as shams.

Pretty much, here is my ideological history:

Liberal -> Bolivarian -> Socialist -> Anarcho-Syndicalist -> Anarcho-Communist -> Libertarian Socialist

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 6:42 am

WeiWuWei wrote:

Socialist -> Anarcho-Syndicalist -> Anarcho-Communist -> Libertarian Socialist

Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

As for myself:

4-6 years old, militarist.
6-11 ecoterrorist, sociopath, unaware malthusianist.
11-14 Extreme Zionist (favoured genocide of Palestinians), homophobe - favoured the extermination of homosexuals.
14-15 Social Democrat.
15-17 demi-Leninist, supporter of USSR system
17-19 Supporter of scientific and social dictatorship.
19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 2:02 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

4-6 years old, militarist.

Were we all not like that Razz

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

6-11 ecoterrorist, sociopath, unaware malthusianist.

kk

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

11-14 Extreme Zionist (favoured genocide of Palestinians), homophobe - favoured the extermination of homosexuals.

How come Jewboy? Why hate gays + genocide on palestians?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

17-19 Supporter of scientific and social dictatorship.

Dictatorship :O?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

The fuck?
Your 20 now.. I thoguht your ass was red(commie) for atleast from your 18's B-day. How suprisely.

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**Black_Cross** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 6:20 pm

I wasn't interested at all in politics until i was about 16. I found out that i'd been lied to/mislead on numerous occasions in public school. I was fuming over that for a while before i came upon a book that broadened my political conception, bolstered my love for people, as well as pushing me to learn more. I went from there to pick up Capital, read up on Lenin (enter my Leninist binge), found my way to revleft, where i got my first taste of anarchy. After this i found my way here to this site, joined the anarchists, and slowly found myself turning away from Leninism (realizing it wasn't ideal), becoming an anarcho-communist.

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Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

I've always known them to be interchangeable, because i always see that term in anarchist-communist literature.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 7:46 pm

CoolKidX wrote:

Were we all not like that Razz

.

My friends and classmates were not.

CKX wrote:

How come Jewboy? Why hate gays + genocide on palestians?

This was my religious peak stage. My mother got me into a Zionist organization called Hanoar Hatzioni which is something like Zionist boy scouts except more military, nationalist and judaism based (several of the Madrihim or like, let's say "teachers" there had made their military service in Israel). Funny enough I was by far the most extremist Zionist there- guys that had served in the Israeli military that were there were all for peace between Palestine and Israel and I was all about exterminating Palestinians. Why? That was my ~~final~~ solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now as you know I am more an apologist of the Palestinians, as now I understand the full background of the situation there and understand things from a historically materialist standpoint.

It was also the stage where I was being prepared to do my Bar-Mitzvah and where I was an internet troll at KKK and who lured guys into thinking I was a hot lesbian. Pathetic years of my life, but useful.

I used to be an atheist since I was 6 until I was 11-12. At 13 I reached by religious peak. I never believed in creationism though, never, not even at teh age of 4 when studying in a religious catholic kindergarten. Hell, I even thought Judaism acknowledged evolution and such, as those were facts for me since a very young age (5 years old). So I was just a moderate Jew-cultured Theist.

I hated homosexuals for many reasons - from their intrinsic characteristics to my fear that it could actually be something contagious. Else I thought of it as something unnatural and wrong.

It wasn't until I matured and interacted with homosexuals that it dissapeared. Today I'm a staunch defender of all sexual orientations and all kinds of consensual and informed sexual relationships.

CKX wrote:

Dictatorship :O?

Yes, I called myself "communist" because I didn't know what socialism and communism stood for, like more than half of those who call themselves socialsit. But I did believe people were unable of ruling themselves.

CKX wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

19-20 Socialist Vanguardist
20 - Communist

The fuck?
Your 20 now.. I thoguht your ass was red(commie) for atleast from your 18's B-day. How suprisely.

It wasn't until I was 19 that I began understanding what socialism stood for and since I wasn't convinced of the intellectual integrity of humanity or at least its organizational capabilities I was pretty much a Leninist, or at the very least a vanguardist who kept the idea thata a Social and Scientific dictatorship were the ideal basis to stablish communism.

As I realized how this failed and began to be in contact with the anarchists in this site is that 1) I understood what anarchists stood for and 2) became a real communist.

I actually see myself in several stages when I see guys like RedSoviet, Tyrlop, etc. I used at some point of my life to think in similar ways to them. I've gone through a relatively complex political evolution. Since I was 14 I've been concerned with the wellbeing of society and had realized that the only way for an entire human community to be well is when all the members of it are in equal and favourable conditions. But by then I didn't understand half of what was required for that nor did I udnerstand well political and economic relationships.

I even laugh at myself when I used to tell to 18-2x year old marxists and anarchists and such that "Marx has to be revised" when I was 15. It requires such an ammmount of ignorance to say that... but in those moments you just have two things clear in mind "Society needs equalty, even if applied by force. Previous attempts failed, so we have to come up with something new". It is not until you begin studying this or getting in touch with those who have studied it that you begin to understand and literally see the world from an entirely different perspective. I didn't even fully grasp what historical materialism stood for until relatively recently.

The foundations of my leftism were perhaps laid around the time where I was in Soviet-Empire.com,at teh age of 14, that should say enough. This and my interest in USSR since I was 8 years old (since my grandfather was from there) were what made me interested in socialism. Since then I developed a Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian national and cultural identity which wasn't developed properly until I was 15 years old is well developed until now.

A book that greatly influded in my leftist and revolutionary thought was "Camilo", a Cuban book lent to me by my cuban Chemistry professor when I was 16 years old (I still have it). It was the development of Camilo Cienfuegos within the Cuban revolution from the perspective of those who met and fought with him.

Also my early political identity was being forged by Taylor Caldwell's books, which help you to pretty much understand where capitalists, specially from the US, sprout from and the workings of the ruling classes without assuming per se an anti-capitalist posture. This combined with a Marxist perspective of society really let you undestand a bunch of things very well. When you're part of the ruling class yourself, this combination of knowledges strikes you with the thought "Damn, isn't this part of my everyday life"...

All I have to say for now in regards to this... going back into the dark depths of my early political identity is depressing as hell.

Black_Cross wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Differences between Libertarian socialist and Anarcho-Communist?

I've always known them to be interchangeable, because i always see that term in anarchist-communist literature.

I'm wondering what Frank has in mind when making, or implying a distiction between them.

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 8:45 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

My friends and classmates were not.

Okay. But you have to realize that aids is a bad disease.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This was my religious peak stage. My mother got me into a Zionist organization called Hanoar Hatzioni which is something like Zionist boy scouts except more military, nationalist and judaism based (several of the Madrihim or like, let's say "teachers" there had made their military service in Israel).

She put you there?
So your mom was a orthodox jew or something?
I mean why put your son on a zionist boy scout thing, without being that jewish. Is she still a real jew?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Funny enough I was by far the most extremist Zionist there- guys that had served in the Israeli military that were there were all for peace between Palestine and Israel and I was all about exterminating Palestinians.

You see, not all the isrealian military is bad!
And besides that, there is call duty for the army I think in Isreal, not sure. So dont blame all the army for being forced in the army.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Why? That was my ~~final~~ solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Its briljant! *cough*

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It was also the stage where I was being prepared to do my Bar-Mitzvah and where I was an internet troll at KKK and who lured guys into thinking I was a hot lesbian. Pathetic years of my life, but useful.

Oh wow, you were, what 13-14? And you let people think you were a hot lesbian... nice!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I used to be an atheist since I was 6 until I was 11-12. At 13 I reached by religious peak. I never believed in creationism though, never, not even at teh age of 4 when studying in a religious catholic kindergarten. Hell, I even thought Judaism acknowledged evolution and such, as those were facts for me since a very young age (5 years old). So I was just a moderate Jew-cultured Theist.

Your a Atheist now right? And what, you were send to a catholic kindergarden? Now a Jewish one?
Also just messing you with this one, you were raped in the kindergarden and at jew scout, so now you hate everything, but communism flow out the hate, or shall I say, move it, gegen capitalism. AH snap!
Just fucking with ya'.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I hated homosexuals for many reasons - from their intrinsic characteristics to my fear that it could actually be something contagious. Else I thought of it as something unnatural and wrong.

You still hate gay people?
No, right? RITE!?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It wasn't until I matured and interacted with homosexuals that it dissapeared. Today I'm a staunch defender of all sexual orientations and all kinds of consensual and informed sexual relationships.

Well that answer my question above then.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Yes, I called myself "communist" because I didn't know what socialism and communism stood for, like more than half of those who call themselves socialsit. But I did believe people were unable of ruling themselves.

So you were a kinda stalnist or the typical dictatorship USSR model people think of when people say Communism?

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

As I realized how this failed and began to be in contact with the anarchists in this site is that 1) I understood what anarchists stood for and 2) became a real communist.

I thought you were a redneck all along. Oh lolz. I never knew! Thx! *thump up*.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I actually see myself in several stages when I see guys like RedSoviet, Tyrlop, etc.

Lol. Just funny.
So Tyrlop, your future will be ze cyper commie called Zealot frum the streets!

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

I even laugh at myself when I used to tell to 18-2x year old marxists and anarchists and such that "Marx has to be revised" when I was 15.

That remembers me of one guy. Idk again.
And you mean "18-20", right, not "18-2x".
Yea probably.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

The foundations of my leftism were perhaps laid around the time where I was in Soviet-Empire.com,at teh age of 14, that should say enough. This and my interest in USSR since I was 8 years old (since my grandfather was from there) were what made me interested in socialism. Since then I developed a Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian national and cultural identity which wasn't developed properly until I was 15 years old is well developed until now.

A book that greatly influded in my leftist and revolutionary thought was "Camilo", a Cuban book lent to me by my cuban Chemistry professor when I was 16 years old (I still have it). It was the development of Camilo Cienfuegos within the Cuban revolution from the perspective of those who met and fought with him.

Also my early political identity was being forged by Taylor Caldwell's books, which help you to pretty much understand where capitalists, specially from the US, sprout from and the workings of the ruling classes without assuming per se an anti-capitalist posture. This combined with a Marxist perspective of society really let you undestand a bunch of things very well. When you're part of the ruling class yourself, this combination of knowledges strikes you with the thought "Damn, isn't this part of my everyday life"...

All I have to say for now in regards to this... going back into the dark depths of my early political identity is depressing as hell.

Intrenet helped you save your soul.
Now do 50 holy maria's.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 9:37 pm

CKX wrote:

She put you there?
So your mom was a orthodox jew or something?
I mean why put your son on a zionist boy scout thing, without being that jewish. Is she still a real jew?

Nah, it was just one block away from my home and my mother thought it'd be a nice idea for me to socialize with guys my age and similar in procedence in such an activity. She's not even zionist and she's not jewish in practice.

CKX wrote:

You see, not all the isrealian military is bad!
And besides that, there is call duty for the army I think in Isreal, not sure. So dont blame all the army for being forced in the army.

I've never said all Israeli soldiers or, all soldiers for that matter are bad. In Israel many soldiers have been very severly punished for disobeying orders that often imply abuse over palestinians (I once read about 4 Israeli Jet Fighter pilots that were given life sentences for refusing to bomb a residential block). Ther are several testimonies of Israeli Soldiers that oppose war with Palestine and that have testified abuse by the Israeli armed forces.

And yes, in Israel there's a strict draft but these Mexican Jewish Zionists are a very different as they're not Israeli citizens.

It is a common practice by jews from all over the world to go to Israel when they become 18-19 years old and do one of these two things either enlist in the army or go to kibutzim, some do both. There is a program, or was, I'm not sure, where the Israeli state pays you your trip as a foreign jew to perform these activities. they often last for 1 year and a half to a handful of years after which most of those Jews return to their native countries.

Actually I wanted to do that around those times where I was zionist. I wanted to be in the armoured forces, preferably as the gunner of a Merkava. Silly childhood dream. Although I've always loved tanks, but now in a very different, deeper and more complex way.

CKX wrote:

Its briljant! *cough*

Yes, if your lastname is Hitler.

CKX wrote:

Oh wow, you were, what 13-14? And you let people think you were a hot lesbian... nice!

12-13. People were more trollable back then.

CKX wrote:

Your a Atheist now right?

Nope, agnostic theist.

CKX wrote:

And what, you were send to a catholic kindergarden? Now a Jewish one?

Yup. I was sent to a catholic religious school since I was 4 until I was 6.

My father was of catholic ancestorship although he was a moderate theist that would have embraced whatever religion. However, he was the friend of the director of that school, so he got me in there and it seems that they made us a disccount for that, so that's why I was there.

I remember that in religion class I told to the teacher "I'm jew" and she yelled and said "Who told you that?!" and I replied "My mom". And she grabbed me by the hand and got some holy water and put it on my forehead and whatnot....

CKX wrote:

Also just messing you with this one, you were raped in the kindergarden and at jew scout, so now you hate everything, but communism flow out the hate, or shall I say, move it, gegen capitalism. AH snap!
Just fucking with ya'.

My name is Earl (I hope you get the reference)

CKX wrote:

So you were a kinda stalnist or the typical dictatorship USSR model people think of when people say Communism?

I was like a "kind and libertarian Stalinist". Like a Stalin that would have enforced policies in favour of sexual, religious, cultural freedom and such and would have coordinated economy in such a way that everyone could have whatever they needed so long as they worked. And who favoured killing criminals.

CKX wrote:

I thought you were a redneck all along. Oh lolz. I never knew! Thx! *thump up*.

I ain't a rednik and was never a rednik. Want a redneck check those southern US exemplars.

CKX wrote:

Lol. Just funny.
So Tyrlop, your future will be ze cyper commie called Zealot frum the streets!

That can't be known now. But, if Tyrlop is really interested in socialism and the wellbeing of people and increases his literary repertory he'll eventually become a real socialist, that is a revolutionary one, at least in theory.

CKX wrote:

That remembers me of one guy. Idk again.
And you mean "18-20", right, not "18-2x".
Yea probably.

Who may that be... Rolling Eyes

I mean 18-20,21,22,23 etc.

CKX wrote:

Intrenet helped you save your soul.
Now do 50 holy maria's.

Internet is an awesome communication tool. I'm almost sure that if they had something like this 150 years ago, the world would be communist today. Also, that's why I hate internet trolls and spammers - they're like little children making pranks by phone and such stupid activities, they just pollute an excellent means of information difusion, although soe of them can be quite worthy.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: What Brought you in to Politics? Tue May 26, 2009 10:10 pm

So when Zealot was young he was a stereotypical American.

For me when I was young it was quite the opposite, all of the other kids were militaristic and mindlessly religious except me, I loved Peace, animals, and Science.