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Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:41 am | |
| Après avoir filé une rouste, à l'aide des britishs, des forces françaises libres, de millions de colonisés, à 1/4 des nationaux-socialistes que la Russie n'avait pas rossés toute seule... GG. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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|  | | CoolKidX Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts: 4426 Join date: 2008-02-14 Location: Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| | Hutin wrote: |
L'Allemagne a battu la France deux fois (sous Napoleon III alias le pire et le plus têtu des stratèges de l'histoire, et après la première guerre mondiale, période où désarmer (la France s'est particulièrement adonnée à cette politique, poussée par le front populaire de Leon Bloom) était la meilleure , croyait-on, des chose à faire, même si l'ennemi, lui, armait à toute vitesse ; oui, la France a subi deux cinglantes défaites, mais deux revers facilement excusables)
Pour ce qui est de l'Indochine (Vietnam), les États-Unis n'ont pas fait mieux, ils en ont fait plus, pour se faire battre à plus grande échelle. D'ailleurs, je tiens à spécifier que lors de la guerre d'Indochine, les troupes coloniales françaises ne recevaient presque plus de soutien de la part de la mère-patrie, en pleine réparation d'après-guerre, alors que les révoltés Vietnamiens , plus nombreux, étaient vastement supportés par les Chinois et les Soviétiques. Qu'en était-il des Américains, à la logistique implacable ? Comment ceux-ci peuvent-ils s'excuser d'une si mémorable défaite ? |
The first part, Germany, look I can see the defeat in Napoleon era, I mean it was like "France.VS.Rest", like no wonder, France was beated anyways. But in WW2, that was really a fail(no offense), why? To begin with, France was beaten in only 1 freaking year, second, we can't fully blame France, there military wasnt as good, there troops weren't really big, there tanks needed improvment, and hell there planen to! But France had the support of freaking England, and still a year to defeat. But yes the french ressistant did much in the War, but not really good stuff, the either fucked up(no offense again) or winnend and then the Germans get angry and kill a whole village.
Ok, the 2n part, Vietnam, your right there when the motherland(france) didn't really support the forces in Vietnam,why?, because most countries with colony's didn't get support from the U.N or even other countries and demanded to give them there own nation(that's how Holland lost Indonisia). And ofcourse you can say Vietnam was supported by the Soviets and the Chinese, but France was supported by the South Vietnamese, which got many forces, and USA, a super power, and I don't think its right to blame your defeat to the American, France needed to GTFO out of Vietnam._________________ "In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."--Jose Narosky "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities; an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." --Reginald Mansell Eazy-er Said Than Dunn   |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:19 am | |
| Oui, la France Napoléonienne s'est fait battre, par des adversaire beaucoup plus nombreux, et de façon plutôt lâche. Maintenant, à toi de continuer à te borner à ne vouloir voir que cette défaite, alors que la guerre dont on parle, globalement, n'a été qu'une suite successive de cinglantes victoires françaises sur des ennemis coalisés terrifiés. Je trouve que ton second argument est singulièrement ironique, puisque tu utilises la présence des anglais sur le front français comme un facteur aggravant de la défaite, alors qu'en fait, celle-ci ne fait que prouver que la débâcle n'était qu'une conséquence de la mauvaise stratégie non pas seulement des français, mais aussi des anglais ! (Qui, on se souvient bien, se sont fait massacrer dans leur pitoyable tentative de retraite à Dunkerque par une aviation allemande ayant presque le champ libre, tellement la Royal Air Force était désorganisée ) La résistance française, même si ses débuts ont été bien modestes, a fini la guerre en armée d'environ un million de soldats, et s'est battue tout aussi bien dans les airs, sur terre que sur mer, au même titre que les autres armées alliées (les français ayant joué un rôle majeur dans le débarquement du 6 juin 1944, non seulement en sabotant les défenses allemandes, mais en les prenant de front tout comme leurs collègues alliés). Comment oses-tu cracher sur leur mémoire alors qu'aucun pays des pays-bas n'a osé résister durant l'occupation ? À la place d'essayer d'amoindrir la présence française dans l'histoire, tu devrais peut-être la fermer et méditer sur la collaboration hollandaise, et sur le rôle minuscule de ce pays dans l'histoire... La France n'était en aucun cas supportée par les sud-vietnamiens, les américains, après l'indépendance, l'étaient ! Les forces coloniales françaises n'étaient pas plus supportées par les américains, d'ailleurs, aucun soldat colonial français ne s'est battu avec des armes américaines en Indochine. Si le support américain ne s'est pas donné en troupes, en armes, ni en argent, comment s'est-il manifesté ? _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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|  | | Jesus World Republic Party Member

Posts: 679 Join date: 2008-09-12 Age: 16 Location: Behind you're back
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:24 am | |
| Well, for the number of people that lived in the netherlands at that moment, they're wasn't much they could do. France her, could do it, but she failed miserably. Even the Canadian Army looked shinier, winning the battle of Pashendale. _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:25 am | |
| Un autre commentaire sans aucun rapport avec ce qui se dit (à savoir la seconde guerre mondiale, et la guerre d'indochine) ; ta spécialité. Non, vraiment, tu vois le carré en haut à droite de ta fenêtre ? Clique dessus, et va faire un peu de bicyclette stationnaire, t'as du poids à perdre, et de l'intelligence à gagner. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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Posts: 679 Join date: 2008-09-12 Age: 16 Location: Behind you're back
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:30 am | |
| Quel petit frustré tu fait... Oui ca l'a rapport, tu a mentionné la 2ieme guerre mondiale et comment les pays-bas était mauvais. Je soulignait simplement qu'il ne pouvait rien faire, vus leur effectifs, et la France bien plus grande et capable, a échouer, tout en ayant certain attentes. Personnes ne s'attendait a ce que les Pays-Bas offre un grande résistance, la France oui... _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
|  | | CoolKidX Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts: 4426 Join date: 2008-02-14 Location: Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:33 am | |
| To clear it up, I wanted to quote all your text Hutin, but its not easy when you do it in French, which gives you the advantage to have more arguments because its your mother laungage. 'nyways, how dare U to spit on the Dutch resistance? Like wtf, u do know the Dutch resistance played a big part in the opreation of Market Garden and both saving Jews and other people from going to the camps? And fucking second, no you can't say the French Resistance did a big part in D-day, 'cause A:The allias(not the french) already had douzend spies on D-day. B:A English spy did the most, he was a double-spy from the germans and messaged them about the planes who would come the night before D-day, he said the planes were landing in some other area. And yes indeed, the French resistance did do much, but you can't say they did more then the Allied forces(disincluding France), and they attacked germans, but for what ending? The german had many troops to take revenge on civilians. Even some villages were completely killed 'cause the resistance actions, and yes the resistance knew it, but I could not say they were abd 'cause they were great but they should think better about the consequence. _________________ "In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."--Jose Narosky "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities; an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." --Reginald Mansell Eazy-er Said Than Dunn   |
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 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:35 am | |
| | Hutin wrote: | Non, vraiment, tu vois le carré en haut à droite de ta fenêtre ? Clique dessus, et va faire un peu de bicyclette stationnaire, t'as du poids à perdre, et de l'intelligence à gagner.
Translation: No, really, you know the square in the upper right of your window? Clicked, and will do some stationary bike, you lose weight, and intelligence to win. |
Hutin, that's just pafethic, that insult is really both dumb and immature. I'm mostly talking about the weight part, that's just pafethic.
If I insulted you I wouldnt even dare to say your a faggot(example)._________________ "In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."--Jose Narosky "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities; an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." --Reginald Mansell Eazy-er Said Than Dunn  
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|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:35 am | |
| Quel frustré je fais ? T'as bombardé ma boîte de message, hier, en faisant des remarques de mongols avec ton p'tit langage emprunté, vraiment ridicule, marque d'un pre-ado qui doit absolument se démarquer. Tu me parles de Pashendale, bataille-phare de la première guerre mondiale, pas de la deuxième, crétin. T'étais hors-sujet, face it. J'ai expliqué pourquoi la France n'a pas offert de résistance plus qu'il fallait, lis-moi, et étouffe-toi. Haha, Coolkid, t'as un problème contre moi, et t'es uniquement motivé par ça, silence, t'es ridicule. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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Posts: 679 Join date: 2008-09-12 Age: 16 Location: Behind you're back
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:38 am | |
| Must i remember you that, it's you who sent the first MP, including an insult, being very offensive to my person, even when i wanted to end this, and retire myself, you continued, insisting to messenge me again and again. Btw the reference to Pashendale, was that, no one expected the canadians to win the battle, but they did, aquiring a A+ for the performance, the Dutchies got a B doing what we expected them, and France a big D. _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:39 am | |
| Drôle que tu me reproches de t'avoir "tenté", alors que tu ne fais que ça sur le forum. Lol, monsieur se permet pompeusement de noter les performances des armées, maintenant. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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|  | | CoolKidX Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts: 4426 Join date: 2008-02-14 Location: Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:40 am | |
| I think the 2 upper parts are to Jesus, if not please confirm there against me. The last part however was against me. | Hutin wrote: | | Haha, Coolkid, you have a problem against me, and you're only motivated by it. |
First, I do not have a problem against you i'm just talkign with you abotu a subject, and its to bad you think I have somethign against you now.
| Hutin wrote: | | silence, you're ridiculous |
Hahaha xD! What? That's cheap Hutin. First, why should I be silent if i'm talkign with you? Second, I can see you can't handle it or your just to lazy to reply._________________ "In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."--Jose Narosky "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities; an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." --Reginald Mansell Eazy-er Said Than Dunn   |
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Posts: 679 Join date: 2008-09-12 Age: 16 Location: Behind you're back
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:41 am | |
| Oh well, this doesn't have anything to do with the topic, you turned an arguing over a serious topic, into insulting my person, that is weak, low and a cheapshot. _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:42 am | |
| Aussi peu coûteux que de lancer des stupidités , aidé piteusement par un pre-ado. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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Posts: 679 Join date: 2008-09-12 Age: 16 Location: Behind you're back
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:43 am | |
| Well, that's what we call dodging. Please if you don't have anything else INTELLIGENT AND RESPECTUOUS, to say please, admit defeat and retire you're self. _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
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Posts: 4426 Join date: 2008-02-14 Location: Netherlands
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:47 am | |
| I agree with Jesus, Hutin your insults are weak and a cheapshot, your calming down it seems and I realize that U realized you failed. U shouldnt say stupid shit to both me and Jesus without thinkign we'r going to say something back. _________________ "In war, there are no unwounded soldiers."--Jose Narosky "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities; an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." --Reginald Mansell Eazy-er Said Than Dunn   |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:48 am | |
| Si t'es pas capable de ne pas faire dévier le sujet sur ta p'tite personne, et sur ton orgueil, dégage ? Tout a commencé avec une remarque sur vos remarques déplacées, je n'ai rien à me reprocher. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:50 am | |
| You actually did that. Calm yourself down, and look around... _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
|  | | Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 492 Join date: 2008-07-16 Age: 18 Location: France/Quebec
 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:51 am | |
| Calme toi avant, tout le monde -sauf Coolkid, bien évidemment- croit que tu fais dévier les topics en vomissant ta bullshit grandiloquente, et simili-intelligente. Ps : J'attends toujours ta source sur les 2 %. _________________ Let the lover be disgraceful, crazy, absent-minded. Someone sober will worry about events going badly.
Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings , socialism is the equal sharing of miseries - Winston Churchill
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 | Subject: Re: French History Lessons (En Français) Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:53 am | |
| Like i said yesterday, a fact that you thing is correct, is not a generality. _________________ An I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you - Ezekial 25:17  |
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