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Watermelon
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 97
Joined : 05 Apr 2008
Posts : 2640
Location : Iceland
 |  Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence  Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:13 am | |
| | Quote: | | I believe religion doesn't need a 'country' to thrive. |
All it needs is class struggle. |
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Antifa
Pioneer
Age : 38
Joined : 07 Jun 2008
Posts : 28
Location : Ireland
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:50 pm | |
| The problem with Tibet is that there never has been a genuine independance struggle there outside the Dalai Lama and his CIA backers. Middle class western liberals love their gurus and love to campaign for a brutal theocracy in someone elses country where they can take holidays and kneel at the feet of some fortune cookie philosophy spouting trickster. The Dalai Lama was happy to remain in Tibet until his own people, many of whom had defected from his army to the PLA, abolished slavery (affecting 95% of the population) and redistributed large swathes of landlord and monastery owned land to the liberated populace. The Dalai Lama's family themselves were in possession of over 4,000 slaves when the countryside was finally liberated.
As to the western supporters: People who don't believe in the christian God, will often believe in absolutely anything else. Thankfully the Tibetans don't launch well-financed campaigns to have us in the west put back under the yoke of absolutist religious leaders like the Pope. |
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Watermelon
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 97
Joined : 05 Apr 2008
Posts : 2640
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:45 pm | |
| antifa: was youre name always antifa because i dont remember your previous 38 posts.
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mononokifool
Experienced Party Member
Age : 19
Joined : 30 Mar 2008
Posts : 816
Location : Florida
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:48 pm | |
| he has only had one post, his age is 39
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Blackartviper
Pioneer Leader
Age : 19
Joined : 15 Jan 2008
Posts : 96
Location : Germany/Hell
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:08 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: |
Of course Chinese police use torture to extract information, every organization uses inhumane methods at one point.
In fact, torture has been a rather regular part in Chinese culture. It supposedly teaches the violator a lesson not to do it again. Well, granted, torture hurts a lot and would seriously imprint something in a person's mind forever.
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So you wanna say that torture is all o.K. and AWWWRIIIGHT just because all people do it. What socialist are you after all? Shame on you.
At my opinion tibet should be freed if the population wants it so. And Im not talking about any CIA, or CP party members or Dalai Lama. This conflict is mainly lead by a small executive delay which fights for might.
They should just ask the people whether they want to be independent or not. Call it a Poll. If they do not care china can keep Tibet. If not they should release them- else its WHAT I call oppression and slavery. Separatists arent so bad after all. Even if it is a small minority. Even if they re only like 10 000 (just a number not reffered to tibet)people. They share one opinion and should be allowed to have their own state interest. After all the communists should be in charge for peoples interests. |
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inkus2000
New Party Member
Joined : 31 Mar 2008
Posts : 541
Location : I woke up this morning and I dont know where I am.
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:51 pm | |
| Much as I love China - it's degenerated into little more than a fascist state with a socialist mask. Granted - the people of Tibet may have a higher standard of living under Chinese rule than under old Tibetan feudalism, however thats not the point. If the Tibetan majority is in favor of independence then they are justified in rebelling against Bejing.
I have mixed feelings about the so called Chinese communist party - the Shanghi faction are neoliberal dogs - long live the communist youthleague !
Even if China was socialist, you cant 'impose' socialism upon anyone. |
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Black_Cross
Experienced Party Member
Age : 20
Joined : 04 Apr 2008
Posts : 909
Location : Land of the free, but not me
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:59 pm | |
| As much as i don't like the bourgeois sympathies in Tibet, I have to agree here that China's imposition on Tibet is unjust.
| Quote: | | Even if China was socialist, you cant 'impose' socialism upon anyone. |
Spoken like a true anarchist... Whether or not you actually are one (i still have yet to find out).
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
Experienced Party Member
Age : 17
Joined : 03 Feb 2008
Posts : 927
Location : The Circle of Flow
| | Subject: Re: Tibetan Independence Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:50 pm | |
| | Blackartviper wrote: |
So you wanna say that torture is all o.K. and AWWWRIIIGHT just because all people do it. |
I'm not saying that torture is fine. I am saying that torture HISTORICALLY has been used by the Chinese for centuries. I am not even condemming them for their use of torture, they just torture because of their history. Nothing can change over 5000 years of civilization and culture. Not even socialism. It's just too hard. I am merely saying that the Chinese torture because of their history. They aren't evil like how the West likes to protray them as. They just torture to teach others a lesson.
I know torture is bad but what can you do if that's all they've learned to punish people by in their history? It's not like America's jails are any better.
That's that. Nothing less, nothing more.
As for Tibet, I'm not gonna even gonna comment. Who knows how the majority feel. Sure, perhaps maybe some dislike the Chinese but that's how they get all the attention. I feel that perhaps many more just simply live life as it is. They don't care about politics. They just want to see their families and go to work or whatnot.
Ask Kenzu or Sara. Maybe they will know more than me.
Better yet, try to find a Tibetian living aboard and one living in Tibet. Ask and find out. 
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