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| What do you think of Hugo Chavez? | | Hero | | 30% | [ 6 ] | | a good man | | 40% | [ 8 ] | | I don't know | | 5% | [ 1 ] | | a bad man | | 25% | [ 5 ] | | Tyrant | | 0% | [ 0 ] |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 97 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2641 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:52 am | |
| Bringing democracy to US? I thought US was a democracy already. Granted, a bourgeois imperialist democracy but a democracy nonetheless. _________________

"The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990
accept green or die!!!
my name is evyindur H haarde |
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mattabesta ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2974 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:07 am | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | Bringing democracy to US? I thought US was a democracy already. Granted, a bourgeois imperialist democracy but a democracy nonetheless. |
no, no they are brining democracy too venuzuvela. |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 97 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2641 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:08 am | |
| Doesn't Venezuala already have that? _________________

"The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990
accept green or die!!!
my name is evyindur H haarde |
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nillerz Arrested

Age : 18 Joined : 02 Apr 2008 Posts : 164 Location : Western NY
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:42 am | |
| | The US "Big Stick" policy refers to us ensuring that Latin America is not colonized by external forces. We won't directly change anything in those countries (other than occasionally supporting revolutionary geurillas) but we still will protect them from Euro and Asian influence. |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 97 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2641 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:26 pm | |
| | Quote: | | ensuring that Latin America is not colonized by external forces. | So the USA dosn't count as an external force? _________________

"The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990
accept green or die!!!
my name is evyindur H haarde |
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mattabesta ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2974 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | Quote: | | ensuring that Latin America is not colonized by external forces. | So the USA dosn't count as an external force? |
no after 50 years of puppetering you get membership (and a gift card) |
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GeneCosta Young Pioneer
Joined : 23 May 2008 Posts : 16
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Fri May 23, 2008 7:56 am | |
| I voted Chavez "a good man." He is certainly a little d democratic; Chavez went through three separate election cycles, each one verified by independent organizations and the United Nations. I would greatly enjoy watching our own president squirm out of a federal recall initiative, but sadly we don't have one.
Under Chavez, Venezuela's economy has rebounded from years of neoliberali reforms which not only squandered oil revenue, but also exacerbated poverty in such a way even Thatcher would have to cry (remember: Thatcher's reforms left one in every three British children in poverty).
The right in Latin America, historically, resorts to military juntas when troubled by leftist movements. Thankfully Chavez sustained his seat thanks to the people. |
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mattabesta ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2974 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat May 24, 2008 6:26 pm | |
| The economy of Venezuela is based on oil, although efforts have been made to develop heavy industry, e.g. steel and aluminium, and revive the agricultural sector. From the 1950s to the beginning of the 1980s the Venezuelan economy was the strongest in South America. The continuous growth during that period attracted many immigrants. With the collapse of oil prices during the 1980s the economy contracted. As oil prices have increased in recent years, Venezuela's economy has strengthened, with GDP growing by about 10 percent a year.
it'S the oil prizes not his exelencies leadership.
In the 1950s, during Jimenez' dictatorship, Venezuela enjoyed remarkably high GDP growth, so that in the late 1950s Venezuela's real GDP per capita was close to West Germany's. However, the democracy established in 1958 has not brought First World status from an economic point of view: on the contrary, in some years GDP contracted.
and the dictator did better, LOL in your face! |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 97 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2641 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sat May 24, 2008 11:47 pm | |
| In your face what no real marxist would think chavez is anything other than a capitalist. _________________

"The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990
accept green or die!!!
my name is evyindur H haarde |
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mattabesta ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2974 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sun May 25, 2008 12:22 am | |
| | Watermelon wrote: | | In your face what no real marxist would think chavez is anything other than a capitalist. |
w8 he is taking evry step that exsist in the direction of socalism and he's a capitalist? |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 97 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2641 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sun May 25, 2008 12:45 am | |
| no hes not you think he is but you dont understand class struggle or marxist science at all so you wouldnt know. _________________

"The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990
accept green or die!!!
my name is evyindur H haarde |
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enviro Chairman of the WR Committee

Age : 902 Joined : 05 Feb 2008 Posts : 1730 Location : bite the power
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sun May 25, 2008 12:51 am | |
| i love this....but water is ight about the capitalist part  _________________ I know that imprisonment will be harder for me than it has ever been for anyone, filled with cowardly threats and hideous cruelty. But I do not fear prison, as I do not fear the fury of the miserable tyrant who took the lives of 70 of my comrades. Condemn me. It does not matter. History will absolve me." |
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mattabesta ZEK in siberian gulag

Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2974 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Hugo Chavez Sun May 25, 2008 12:56 am | |
| | he nationlises steel, cement and media and he's capitalist althought this is THE exact oppiset to capitalism????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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