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Renegade_Kautsky
Worker of the World Republic
Joined : 16 Feb 2008
Posts : 350
Location : In the belly of the beast
 |  Subject: yup  Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:08 am | |
| Gotta admit the man had style... 
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Riddler
Hero of Socialist Labor
Age : 17
Joined : 31 Jan 2008
Posts : 434
Location : Montreal, Canada
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:46 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | like all true communists, he was an internationalist. |
Stalin was internationalist too. |
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:59 pm | |
| | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | Riddler wrote: | | From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader. |
patriots usally end up being dictator or concurers and do more bad than good |
Name one example. |
stalin, hitler, mussolini that hispanic guy and napoleon.
i've got 5 |
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revolution
World Republic Party Member
Age : 908
Joined : 15 Oct 2007
Posts : 793
Location : Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:02 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
Yeah, he did make quite a fuss at the U.N., I'll give him that. 
I guess when you think about it, it was the U.S.' fault. I change my mind, I think Khruschev was a good leader. 
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:10 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
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revolution
World Republic Party Member
Age : 908
Joined : 15 Oct 2007
Posts : 793
Location : Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:20 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey.
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:23 pm | |
| | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey. |
from turky.
they started threatening him as soon as he talked to the soviets. |
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oligarch
Member of the WR Committee
Joined : 31 Jan 2008
Posts : 1495
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:48 am | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | like all true communists, he was an internationalist. |
Stalin was internationalist too. |
No he wasn't, what do you think socialism on one country was all about?
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revolution
World Republic Party Member
Age : 908
Joined : 15 Oct 2007
Posts : 793
Location : Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:04 am | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey. |
from turky.
they started threatening him as soon as he talked to the soviets. |
Even before that.
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:36 pm | |
| | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey. |
from turky.
they started threatening him as soon as he talked to the soviets. |
Even before that. |
oh yeah ther was a king of cuba wich was a puppet of the us right? |
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Riddler
Hero of Socialist Labor
Age : 17
Joined : 31 Jan 2008
Posts : 434
Location : Montreal, Canada
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:29 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | Riddler wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | like all true communists, he was an internationalist. |
Stalin was internationalist too. |
No he wasn't, what do you think socialism on one country was all about? |
He wanted to build socialism in one country, then spread it around the world. I think it was more reasonable than Trotsky's idea of socialism, because that time the global revolution was impossible, because of the Nazis and the imperialist countries. |
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:31 pm | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | Riddler wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | like all true communists, he was an internationalist. |
Stalin was internationalist too. |
No he wasn't, what do you think socialism on one country was all about? |
He wanted to build socialism in one country, then spread it around the world. I think it was more reasonable than Trotsky's idea of socialism, because that time the global revolution was impossible, because of the Nazis and the imperialist countries. |
your talking about stalin right?
stalin was a dictator with no intntion of global revelution but had his own and russias best intests at heart it wasn´t in russias intrest to start a nuclear war. |
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oligarch
Member of the WR Committee
Joined : 31 Jan 2008
Posts : 1495
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:09 am | |
| Ya, he had no intention of spreading socialism.
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revolution
World Republic Party Member
Age : 908
Joined : 15 Oct 2007
Posts : 793
Location : Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:21 am | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey. |
from turky.
they started threatening him as soon as he talked to the soviets. |
Even before that. |
oh yeah ther was a king of cuba wich was a puppet of the us right? |
Fulgencio Batista. He was one of Latin America's worst and most corrupt dictators. He institutionalized organized crime in Havana, Casinos run by U.S. gansters, brothels, and drugs, just to name a few. His soldiers were known for their brutality during the war with Fidel. They would immediatly execute most prisoners captured. The police would shoot anyone suspected of dissent then and there, sometimes in the crowded streets. I would say that Batista would rank second among Latin America's worst dictators, surpassed only by Rafael Trujillo, the dictator of the Dominican Republic. Unfortunately, Batista fled to the Dominican Republic on January 1, 1959, and was spared punishment by the guerrillas.
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:43 pm | |
| | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | oligarch wrote: | | kahnsguard wrote: | | oligarch wrote: |
Khrushchev actually helped the USSR. |
Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis. |
I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.
Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault. |
how so? |
They started threatening Castro as soon as they found out he was communist. Also, the U.S. was pointing missles at Turkey. |
from turky.
they started threatening him as soon as he talked to the soviets. |
Even before that. |
oh yeah ther was a king of cuba wich was a puppet of the us right? |
Fulgencio Batista. He was one of Latin America's worst and most corrupt dictators. He institutionalized organized crime in Havana, Casinos run by U.S. gansters, brothels, and drugs, just to name a few. His soldiers were known for their brutality during the war with Fidel. They would immediatly execute most prisoners captured. The police would shoot anyone suspected of dissent then and there, sometimes in the crowded streets. I would say that Batista would rank second among Latin America's worst dictators, surpassed only by Rafael Trujillo, the dictator of the Dominican Republic. Unfortunately, Batista fled to the Dominican Republic on January 1, 1959, and was spared punishment by the guerrillas. |
yes what a crule cuntry the us is. |
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Cyprian Uljanow
World Republic Party Member
Age : 29
Joined : 25 Mar 2008
Posts : 661
Location : Wroclaw
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:07 am | |
| If Trotsky became Lenin's protoplast ( Like he intended to) I bet USSR would not only not Disband, but maybe even expand more today. Trotsky was a born leader, becous he knew how to talk to make people listen without the need of a gun aimed in their forhead.
Stalin did some good - to his own country- and to himself mostely, He did way mroe Evil and it was all just to satisfy his own sick lust for power and prestige. People like that are More Capitalist than Communist in my book.
Staling was a Authoritarian Lefty. Yes. Internationalist? Maybe. Asshole? Hell yeah |
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
Age : 17
Joined : 23 Dec 2007
Posts : 3237
Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:11 am | |
| | Cyprian Uljanow wrote: | If Trotsky became Lenin's protoplast ( Like he intended to) I bet USSR would not only not Disband, but maybe even expand more today. Trotsky was a born leader, becous he knew how to talk to make people listen without the need of a gun aimed in their forhead.
Stalin did some good - to his own country- and to himself mostely, He did way mroe Evil and it was all just to satisfy his own sick lust for power and prestige. People like that are More Capitalist than Communist in my book.
Staling was a Authoritarian Lefty. Yes. Internationalist? Maybe. Asshole? Hell yeah |
How is trotsky??
wasn't he a kgb dude?? |
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Cyprian Uljanow
World Republic Party Member
Age : 29
Joined : 25 Mar 2008
Posts : 661
Location : Wroclaw
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:16 am | |
| _^_, That was Felix Dzierzynski... unless your talking Stalin Era - than It was Beria
And L2wikipedia |
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revolution
World Republic Party Member
Age : 908
Joined : 15 Oct 2007
Posts : 793
Location : Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:20 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | Cyprian Uljanow wrote: | If Trotsky became Lenin's protoplast ( Like he intended to) I bet USSR would not only not Disband, but maybe even expand more today. Trotsky was a born leader, becous he knew how to talk to make people listen without the need of a gun aimed in their forhead.
Stalin did some good - to his own country- and to himself mostely, He did way mroe Evil and it was all just to satisfy his own sick lust for power and prestige. People like that are More Capitalist than Communist in my book.
Staling was a Authoritarian Lefty. Yes. Internationalist? Maybe. Asshole? Hell yeah |
How is trotsky??
wasn't he a kgb dude?? |
Trotsky won the Civil War.
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beatnikzach
Experienced Party Member
Age : 17
Joined : 10 Apr 2008
Posts : 809
Location : amerika
| | Subject: Re: Leon Trotsky Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:18 am | |
| | its hard for me to believe at all stalin was an internationalist. |
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