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PostSubject: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:06 am
Leon Trotsky should be remembered as a great hero of socialism. He was one of the leaders of the Russian Revolution, an excellent theoretician, he led the Red Army to victory in the Civil War and even after being exiled from the Soviet Union he continued to fight Stalinism and pursue socialism until the day he died.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:13 am
It would help if you told us just exactly what he did. Socialists in the US are completely uninfor-

Oh wate...that's just my abhorrent laziness at work. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:09 am
He is a great hero indeed. His theory of world revolution has inspired many militant Marxist groups all over the world. There would have been no U.S.S.R. if it weren't for Trotsky.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:25 pm
I don´t know read some of his biografy and looks like a normal guy that got in the way just some dude liking another duds ass
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:56 pm
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:04 pm
Riddler wrote:
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.

patriots usally end up being dictator or concurers and do more bad than good
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:08 am
Riddler wrote:
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.


Trotsky collaberating with fascists was flimsy Stalinist propaganda, he never actually came close to overthrowing Stalin, but Stalin said that he did in order to further persecute Trotskyites. If he had overthrown Stalin he would have been even more heroic and like all true communists, he was an internationalist.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:28 am
mattabesta wrote:
Riddler wrote:
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.

patriots usally end up being dictator or concurers and do more bad than good


Name one example.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:58 am
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mattabesta wrote:
Riddler wrote:
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.

patriots usally end up being dictator or concurers and do more bad than good


Name one example.


Stalin according to you.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:11 am
oligarch wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Riddler wrote:
From the books I've read I heard that Trotsky collaborated with fascists in Spain and jewish organisations in the US to throw down Stalin. He wasn't a patriot of the USSR, so I don't think that he could've been a good leader.

patriots usally end up being dictator or concurers and do more bad than good


Name one example.


Stalin according to you.


He did slightly more good than bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:17 am
kahnsguard wrote:
oligarch wrote:


Stalin according to you.


He did slightly more good than bad.


How?!
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:21 am
Victory, Industrialization, 5-Year plans, Agriculture, Metro, Canals, Nationalization. Just to name a few.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:23 am
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Victory, Industrialization, 5-Year plans, Agriculture, Metro, Canals, Nationalization. Just to name a few.


The ends did not justify the means.
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PostSubject: agreed   Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:22 am
Indeed, Stalin burned the village in the name of saving it. No
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:23 am
oligarch wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
Victory, Industrialization, 5-Year plans, Agriculture, Metro, Canals, Nationalization. Just to name a few.


The ends did not justify the means.


Where would Russia be today?
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:26 am
kahnsguard wrote:
oligarch wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
Victory, Industrialization, 5-Year plans, Agriculture, Metro, Canals, Nationalization. Just to name a few.


The ends did not justify the means.


Where would Russia be today?


In the Soviet Union.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:01 am
Are we talking about Stalin or Khruschev?
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:07 am
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Are we talking about Stalin or Khruschev?


Khrushchev actually helped the USSR.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:14 am
oligarch wrote:
kahnsguard wrote:
Are we talking about Stalin or Khruschev?


Khrushchev actually helped the USSR.


Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis.
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PostSubject: Re: Leon Trotsky   Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:19 am
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oligarch wrote:


Khrushchev actually helped the USSR.


Somewhat, but he pissed a lot of people off with his public temper tantrums and the Cuban Missle Crisis.


I almost joined the model UN once just so I could bang my shoe on the table and threaten to bury my opponent.

Besides, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the USA's fault.
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