Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

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Subject: Re: Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:45 am

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and why do nearly all the socaliasts and communists stand up for china and the ussr even you have said yourself that they aren't and were never communist not even socalist so what do you gain from saying they were good ???

Just because they aren't socialist or communist doesn't mean they don't have that tendency (i'm not saying they do or don't [that is a topic for another thread]), so in that way, you're view is flawed. You can be for a country that is trying to translate into socialism even though they aren't socialist yet. I think you should read up on anarchism, socialism, and communism before you make these remarks.

Also, some of their policies may have been good ( i, for one, am pro gulag for the bourgeoise oppressionists and blatent class antagonists) while others may have been bad. For some reason, people think we all have to agree on everything (this is conformism), which is utter BS. We are each our own people and will think what we will. Don't pool us all together ideologically just because we say we are communist/socialist/etc.
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Subject: Re: Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:34 pm

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i, for one, am pro gulag for the bourgeoise oppressionists and blatent class antagonists

What do you mean by "bourgeoise oppressionists and blatent class antagonists"?

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Subject: Re: Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:46 am

mattabesta wrote:

how is that a pwn and why do nearly all the socaliasts and communists stand up for china???

It's a pwn because my Chinese teacher said China gets a LOT of BBC News coverage, despite many Americans believing it is "banned in China".

Socialists and communists stand up for China because of a few reasons. One: They haven't invaded ANYBODY for resources or for the sheer hell of it. Two: They keep silent to themselves and solve their own problems in their own way. And lastly...

You don't see China blasting weaker counties like it's no tommorrow, do you? Twisted Evil

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Subject: Re: Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:14 am

NoJustice.NoPeace wrote:

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and why do nearly all the socaliasts and communists stand up for china and the ussr even you have said yourself that they aren't and were never communist not even socalist so what do you gain from saying they were good ???

Just because they aren't socialist or communist doesn't mean they don't have that tendency (i'm not saying they do or don't [that is a topic for another thread]), so in that way, you're view is flawed. You can be for a country that is trying to translate into socialism even though they aren't socialist yet. I think you should read up on anarchism, socialism, and communism before you make these remarks.

Also, some of their policies may have been good ( i, for one, am pro gulag for the bourgeoise oppressionists and blatent class antagonists) while others may have been bad. For some reason, people think we all have to agree on everything (this is conformism), which is utter BS. We are each our own people and will think what we will. Don't pool us all together ideologically just because we say we are communist/socialist/etc.

Since the late 1970s, however, the Chinese government has reformed the economy from a Soviet-type centrally planned economy that was largely closed to international trade to a more market-oriented economy that has a rapidly growing private sector and is a major player in the global economy. Since being introduced, these reforms have helped lift millions of its citizens out of poverty, bringing the poverty rate down from 53% in 1981 to 8% in 2001.[8] This economic system has been called "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" and can be considered as a type of mixed economy. Only about a third of the economy is now directly state-controlled. As of 2005, 70% of China's GDP was in the private sector. The smaller public sector was dominated by about 200 large state enterprises concentrated mostly in utilities, heavy industries, and energy resources.[9]

china is moveing fast away from socalism.

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Subject: Re: Communist Manifesto derived from Catholic teachings.

Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:43 am

Pannekoek wrote:

What do you mean by "bourgeoise oppressionists and blatent class antagonists"?

Anyone who owns the means of production and employs slave labour and will not give it up because of some false belief of ownership. And anyone who takes up arms against the revolution to keep an oppressive system in place. The latter does not include the members of the army (since they are usually brainwashed) as long as they agree to lay down arms.

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china is moveing fast away from socalism.

That statement doesn't really follow from the rest of your post. They are a country that is preparing for a translation into socialism. And as a country that has a (to some distorted degree) marxist belief in revolution, they believe they must stockpile resources to not only be economically stable, but to be able to defend itself from the forces of reaction, since a country is much more vulnerable in a socialist transitionary period. Agreed, they are doing this in a very crude, capitalistic manner, but that does not mean they have given up on socialism.
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