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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:42 pm

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yeah but I mean partly good morals.
Morality is very dogmatic and subjective.


ok let's stop this. you are clearly a person with no respect for othere epoles beleves so fuck off if you don't make a good case othere than saying pepole are wrong and you right
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:45 pm

I have disagreed with people. Either they didn't defend themself or I am arguing with them now. I do not respect idiotic beliefs.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:57 pm

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I have disagreed with people. Either they didn't defend themself or I am arguing with them now. I do not respect idiotic beliefs.


now anothere show of your egoism, show respect to othere pepole no matter theyer belefs is a show of maturity.

anyway have you read das kapital?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:53 pm

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now anothere show of your egoism, show respect to othere pepole no matter theyer belefs is a show of maturity.
Why don't you respect my belief to not respect your belief? Fucken hypocrite.

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anyway have you read das kapital?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:34 pm

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now anothere show of your egoism, show respect to othere pepole no matter theyer belefs is a show of maturity.
Why don't you respect my belief to not respect your belief? Fucken hypocrite.

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anyway have you read das kapital?
Yes.


that's qite a contradictory remark.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:31 pm

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that's qite a contradictory remark.
Care to elaborate?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:17 pm

Pannekoek- Philosophy is just as dogmatic and irrelevant to the real world as religion is.[/quote]

Well thats your philosophy I gather Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:53 pm

Pannekoek wrote:
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that's qite a contradictory remark.
Care to elaborate?

what??
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:03 am

Why is what I said "qite a contradictory remark" Question
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:26 pm

To touch back on the title of this topic, whether or not the major religions of today will be as prevalent within a century or so, or perhaps longer, is uncertain. What I do think is a safe assertion to make is that a few less mainstream belief systems might fall through the cracks: Jains, Shintos, Taoists, and Confucians particularly, just to name a few examples. And this is not to detract any kind of validity or virtue from these belief systems; it is simply an observation that these communities have grown very small, even within the countries of their origin.

What I think is an interesting point to make is that nations, such as the United States, where religious freedom is permitted and people are not forced to believe in one particular indoctrination of faith often have a larger population of religious people in them. Conversely, I think history has shown that states that have enforced a single belief system have bred distrust in religion. So I think if the major religions wish to survive in a more modernized world, and if they wish to raise their numbers, they must learn to not interfere with the state, make peace with Western culture, and stop trying to indoctrinate people so tenaciously.

Nevertheless, I don't think that there will ever be a time where there is no such thing as religion, unless we reach a time where man no longer wonders if there is anything beyond what he experiences in the corporeal world. New ones may rise, old ones may fall, and some may persist, but I just don't see man moving beyond the idea that there is more out there, because I don't think he'll ever know if there is or, most likely, isn't.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:35 am

WeiWuWei wrote:
To touch back on the title of this topic, whether or not the major religions of today will be as prevalent within a century or so, or perhaps longer, is uncertain. What I do think is a safe assertion to make is that a few less mainstream belief systems might fall through the cracks: Jains, Shintos, Taoists, and Confucians particularly, just to name a few examples. And this is not to detract any kind of validity or virtue from these belief systems; it is simply an observation that these communities have grown very small, even within the countries of their origin.

What I think is an interesting point to make is that nations, such as the United States, where religious freedom is permitted and people are not forced to believe in one particular indoctrination of faith often have a larger population of religious people in them. Conversely, I think history has shown that states that have enforced a single belief system have bred distrust in religion. So I think if the major religions wish to survive in a more modernized world, and if they wish to raise their numbers, they must learn to not interfere with the state, make peace with Western culture, and stop trying to indoctrinate people so tenaciously.

Nevertheless, I don't think that there will ever be a time where there is no such thing as religion, unless we reach a time where man no longer wonders if there is anything beyond what he experiences in the corporeal world. New ones may rise, old ones may fall, and some may persist, but I just don't see man moving beyond the idea that there is more out there, because I don't think he'll ever know if there is or, most likely, isn't.



Have you read any Cauang Tzu ?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:53 am

Have you read any Das Kapital, Grundrisse, Communist Manifesto, or the Critique of the Gotha Program? Excellent literacher
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:12 am

The Communist Manifesto - yes

Des Kapital - Il read it prop when I get time.
I have an idea of what its about.

Im actually reading a book of social sciences published in the USSR in the 1980's, gives a good insight into their perception of the nature of problems they where facing at the time.




Have you ever read a book that isnt about socialism ?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:53 am

inkus2000 wrote:
WeiWuWei wrote:
To touch back on the title of this topic, whether or not the major religions of today will be as prevalent within a century or so, or perhaps longer, is uncertain. What I do think is a safe assertion to make is that a few less mainstream belief systems might fall through the cracks: Jains, Shintos, Taoists, and Confucians particularly, just to name a few examples. And this is not to detract any kind of validity or virtue from these belief systems; it is simply an observation that these communities have grown very small, even within the countries of their origin.

What I think is an interesting point to make is that nations, such as the United States, where religious freedom is permitted and people are not forced to believe in one particular indoctrination of faith often have a larger population of religious people in them. Conversely, I think history has shown that states that have enforced a single belief system have bred distrust in religion. So I think if the major religions wish to survive in a more modernized world, and if they wish to raise their numbers, they must learn to not interfere with the state, make peace with Western culture, and stop trying to indoctrinate people so tenaciously.

Nevertheless, I don't think that there will ever be a time where there is no such thing as religion, unless we reach a time where man no longer wonders if there is anything beyond what he experiences in the corporeal world. New ones may rise, old ones may fall, and some may persist, but I just don't see man moving beyond the idea that there is more out there, because I don't think he'll ever know if there is or, most likely, isn't.



Have you read any Cauang Tzu ?


I have not, but I'll certainly look him up. Smile
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I let go of the law,
and people become honest.
I let go of economics,
and people become prosperous.
I let go of religion,
and people become serene.
I let go of all desire for the common good,
and the good becomes common as grass."

-- Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:48 pm

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Have you ever read a book that isnt about socialism ?
And why would I do that?
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:18 pm

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Have you ever read a book that isnt about socialism ?
And why would I do that?

To be secular? You can never truly dismiss something if you dont not become versed in it. Thats why Every atheist should read the bible, I did and now i can actually debate the christians. To automatically dismiss something is childish and promotes ignorance.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:12 pm

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Pannekoek wrote:
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Have you ever read a book that isnt about socialism ?
And why would I do that?

To be secular? You can never truly dismiss something if you dont not become versed in it. Thats why Every atheist should read the bible, I did and now i can actually debate the christians. To automatically dismiss something is childish and promotes ignorance.



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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:06 pm

WeiWuWei wrote:
inkus2000 wrote:
WeiWuWei wrote:
To touch back on the title of this topic, whether or not the major religions of today will be as prevalent within a century or so, or perhaps longer, is uncertain. What I do think is a safe assertion to make is that a few less mainstream belief systems might fall through the cracks: Jains, Shintos, Taoists, and Confucians particularly, just to name a few examples. And this is not to detract any kind of validity or virtue from these belief systems; it is simply an observation that these communities have grown very small, even within the countries of their origin.

What I think is an interesting point to make is that nations, such as the United States, where religious freedom is permitted and people are not forced to believe in one particular indoctrination of faith often have a larger population of religious people in them. Conversely, I think history has shown that states that have enforced a single belief system have bred distrust in religion. So I think if the major religions wish to survive in a more modernized world, and if they wish to raise their numbers, they must learn to not interfere with the state, make peace with Western culture, and stop trying to indoctrinate people so tenaciously.

Nevertheless, I don't think that there will ever be a time where there is no such thing as religion, unless we reach a time where man no longer wonders if there is anything beyond what he experiences in the corporeal world. New ones may rise, old ones may fall, and some may persist, but I just don't see man moving beyond the idea that there is more out there, because I don't think he'll ever know if there is or, most likely, isn't.



Have you read any Cauang Tzu ?


I have not, but I'll certainly look him up. Smile


He was a follower of lao Tzu he writes more on Taoism

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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:59 am

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Have you ever read a book that isnt about socialism ?
And why would I do that?


Becous in order to have any relavent clue on any topic you need information source from oposeing sides of view, researching only one side dosn't give you and insight on pretty much any debatable manner.


And Religion imho is a too crucial filar of power for it to vanish from a Capitalist state. In Communism maybe, but Ibet some people will still practice religious rituals.
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PostSubject: Re: Do you think there will be no religion in the future?   Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:36 pm

The condition for the disappearance of false happiness is the presence of real happiness aka communism.
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