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oligarch
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|  Subject: Islamophobia  Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:37 am | |
| Do you think that Islamophobia plays a significant role in western politics and foreign policy? I think that the Islamophobia rooted deep into American culture is often exploited by right-wing politicians to justify things like the PATRIOT Act, invading Iraq and Afghanistan, and creating a general atmosphere of fear. America has had Islamophobia since the sixteen hundreds when Muslim slaves were forced to enact in plays celebrating the "liberation" of the Iberian Peninsula by the crusaders but it has never really manifested itself this openly before in my opinion. How does the rest of the world view American Isamophobia is it as widely used to justify policy in other Western nations? I know in Switzerland for example, the far right People's Party has been elected and has introduced extremely Islamophobic policies such as not allowing Muslims to migrate to Switzerland, deporting Muslims already living in Switzerland, and banning minarets.
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Renegade_Kautsky
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:44 am | |
| I think us Americans are just overall xenophobic. Look at United States immigration history and you'll see it one big story of "We don't like your kind around here!"
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:46 am | |
| | Renegade_Kautsky wrote: | | I think us Americans are just overall xenophobic. Look at United States immigration history and you'll see it one big story of "We don't like your kind around here!" |
It's happening right now.
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Diogritor
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 am | |
| | At least we arnt like places like Great Briton that are being literally invaded by Muslims. Most are good but with recent Riots, Bombings, etc..it shows that sometimes Islamophobia isnt always unwarranted |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:15 am | |
| | Diogritor wrote: | | At least we arnt like places like Great Briton that are being literally invaded by Muslims. Most are good but with recent Riots, Bombings, etc..it shows that sometimes Islamophobia isnt always unwarranted |
Way to prove my point.
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Renegade_Kautsky
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:18 am | |
| I think people in the US fear Islam because they only see the religious radicals. What's ironic is that they haven't looked in the mirror.
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revolution
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:30 pm | |
| Bush speaks of Christianity and Crusades, so I think in his twisted mind, he's trying to wage a Holy War against Islam.
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:40 pm | |
| | Renegade_Kautsky wrote: | | I think us Americans are just overall xenophobic. Look at United States immigration history and you'll see it one big story of "We don't like your kind around here!" |
Yep. The Chinese Immigration Act, Native Americans, Koreans, the "ChiComs", and Africans.
All of them discriminated against by the white man (sry to offend).
What I personally find SICKENING is that America doesn't even look back to it's own past before accusing other countries of "human rights violations".
So, I think America is the "British of the entire world". 
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revolution
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:51 pm | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | | Renegade_Kautsky wrote: | | I think us Americans are just overall xenophobic. Look at United States immigration history and you'll see it one big story of "We don't like your kind around here!" |
Yep. The Chinese Immigration Act, Native Americans, Koreans, the "ChiComs", and Africans.
All of them discriminated against by the white man (sry to offend).
What I personally find SICKENING is that America doesn't even look back to it's own past before accusing other countries of "human rights violations".
So, I think America is the "British of the entire world". |
Andersonville, Abu Graib (spelling?), Gitmo, just to name a few.
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Voice of Reason
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:56 pm | |
| To claim that islamophobia is rooted in the americas since the 16th century is a little over the top. Of course spaniards were afraid of Islam as they were nearly driven out of their own country by muslims and gained Iberia back only ste by step.
Real Islamophobia is only in control since 9/11 and even that is cooling down and if you think that your great leader declared war against Iraq because of Islamophobia, then you should study your country's history better. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:52 am | |
| | Voice of Reason wrote: | To claim that islamophobia is rooted in the americas since the 16th century is a little over the top. Of course spaniards were afraid of Islam as they were nearly driven out of their own country by muslims and gained Iberia back only ste by step.
Real Islamophobia is only in control since 9/11 and even that is cooling down and if you think that your great leader declared war against Iraq because of Islamophobia, then you should study your country's history better. |
Of course islamophobia in America is manifesting itself now more than ever but there has always been some islamophobia under the surface of society, particularly expressed in cinema. But islamophobia does go back quite far, for example John Adams said that if the French Revolution did not have checks on passion then a madman would come to power and be like another Mohamed. John Quincy Adams, John Adam's son also denigrated Thomas Jefferson by comparing associating his approval of common sense of the masses as a democratic ideal with the Shahadah.
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Voice of Reason
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:28 pm | |
| I don't know about these quotes, but I could imagine Adams saying this during americas war with the Maghreb states. Political Correctness wasn't around back then.
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WeiWuWei
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:33 pm | |
| Jihads and Fatwas are not theological beliefs of Islam, though there are some minor sects of Shi'a Islam that would like to establish them as such. But they are, in my mind, purely political tools that several extremists use, and they use Islam as a scapegoat to defend such actions. That is why I believe this "Islamophobia" has come about.
It is also unfortunate that people cannot differentiate between a religious person and a terrorist. It would be like saying that every Catholic took part in the Inquisition.
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inkus2000
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:59 pm | |
| | WeiWuWei wrote: | Jihads and Fatwas are not theological beliefs of Islam, though there are some minor sects of Shi'a Islam that would like to establish them as such. But they are, in my mind, purely political tools that several extremists use, and they use Islam as a scapegoat to defend such actions. That is why I believe this "Islamophobia" has come about.
It is also unfortunate that people cannot differentiate between a religious person and a terrorist. It would be like saying that every Catholic took part in the Inquisition. |
True
I grew up in the UK not far from London and had many Muslim friends,Its easier to sell anti - Muslim propeganda to groups who have no real understanding or connection with any culture other than their own. This is why I think poorly educated rural Americans are most at risk from such propeganda.
Its easier to hate the enemy when he has no face -
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:42 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | Do you think that Islamophobia plays a significant role in western politics and foreign policy? I think that the Islamophobia rooted deep into American culture is often exploited by right-wing politicians to justify things like the PATRIOT Act, invading Iraq and Afghanistan, and creating a general atmosphere of fear. America has had Islamophobia since the sixteen hundreds when Muslim slaves were forced to enact in plays celebrating the "liberation" of the Iberian Peninsula by the crusaders but it has never really manifested itself this openly before in my opinion. How does the rest of the world view American Isamophobia is it as widely used to justify policy in other Western nations? I know in Switzerland for example, the far right People's Party has been elected and has introduced extremely Islamophobic policies such as not allowing Muslims to migrate to Switzerland, deporting Muslims already living in Switzerland, and banning minarets. |
lol icelanders are so racist.
you don´t want to know. |
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Anarchist.Dagger
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Age : 20
Joined : 04 Apr 2008
Posts : 850
Location : Land of the free, but not me
| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:20 pm | |
| | kahnsguard wrote: | | Andersonville, Abu Graib (spelling?), Gitmo, just to name a few. |
abu ghraib* if you were still wondering.
| Quote: | | Its easier to hate the enemy when he has no face - |
Well said.
| Quote: | | It would be like saying that every Catholic took part in the Inquisition. |
Haha, also well said.
I can't really add much since most of my views have already been posted. But i will say that americans tend to buy into media and government propaganda a lot easier than other cultures. Nationalism runs rampant through our society which makes it much easier to gain control over the minds of the citizens.
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:38 am | |
| The bourgeoisie are nationalist so it's not surprising that the most advanced bourgeois state, the USA is very nationalist. The ideology of the people is a reflection of the ideology of the capitalist because of biased media propaganda.
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Liche
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:19 am | |
| | When I was a baby I was afraid of old, muslim ladies. They looked weird and once theese two walked up to me and I thought they were trying to kidnap me. Now I'm just scared of all radicalists. Radical americas, muslims, christians, etc... |
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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Joined : 06 Dec 2007
Posts : 1873
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| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:35 pm | |
| | Liche wrote: | | When I was a baby I was afraid of old, muslim ladies. They looked weird and once theese two walked up to me and I thought they were trying to kidnap me. Now I'm just scared of all radicalists. Radical americas, muslims, christians, etc... |
Then be scared of us, we're radicalist communists! 
| inkus2000 wrote: | True
I grew up in the UK not far from London and had many Muslim friends,Its easier to sell anti - Muslim propeganda to groups who have no real understanding or connection with any culture other than their own. This is why I think poorly educated rural Americans are most at risk from such propeganda.
Its easier to hate the enemy when he has no face - |
This is quite true, however religious and ethnic brainwashing also work pretty fine and it's been seen in Yugoslavia and nowadays its starting in Russia.
More than 20 million muslims live in Russia yet there are idiotic groups in Russia fomenting Islamophobia. |
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CoolKidX
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Posts : 538
Location : The Netherlands
| | Subject: Re: Islamophobia Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:49 pm | |
| | I have muslims friends as-well but sometimes if im just watchin vid's on youtube and im watchin relgeos stuff i see sometimes comments like :"Islam will kill you all" and "death to USA, the islam will rule the world" and that kinda stuff .And i go to there page and i think there from iraq or something ,happpend they live in my country as well so im a little 50% about evrything. |
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