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| Should it be banned? | | Yes | | 20% | [ 6 ] | | No | | 80% | [ 24 ] |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1684 Join date: 2008-04-04 Age: 21 Location: Sisyphean Hell
 | Subject: Religion in a communist society Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:15 pm | |
| Do you believe religion should be banned in a communist society? I may play devil's advocate for the sake of argument if no one steps up for the 'yes' side. I left vote cancelling available and didn't put an 'undecided' choice in the poll. _________________ "A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself." --Karl Polanyi--
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council

Posts: 3857 Join date: 2007-12-23 Age: 15 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:50 pm | |
| banned in a workers state ofcourse. |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1684 Join date: 2008-04-04 Age: 21 Location: Sisyphean Hell
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:55 pm | |
| You think religion should be banned? Or are you confused? I'm asking personal opinion, so it doesn't really apply to you soft-lefters, since you don't want a communist society. But if you do feel religion should be banned, go into detail as to why you think so. _________________ "A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself." --Karl Polanyi--
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council

Posts: 3857 Join date: 2007-12-23 Age: 15 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:57 pm | |
| | NoJustice.NoPeace wrote: | You think religion should be banned? Or are you confused? I'm asking personal opinion, so it doesn't really apply to you soft-lefters, since you don't want a communist society.
But if you do feel religion should be banned, go into detail as to why you think so. |
religon can not exsist in a true workers state it will make god part of the capitalists, the priests will become currubt with powere and start anti-rvolutionary activityes. |
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Comrade Pollett Experienced Party Member

Posts: 923 Join date: 2007-10-14 Age: 16 Location: Newfoundland and labrador
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:52 pm | |
| freedom of religion in all country's |
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Riddler Hero of Socialist Labor

Posts: 487 Join date: 2008-01-31 Age: 18
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:39 am | |
| Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:29 am | |
| Not "ban" but rather flood the society with materialist education and focus on identifying the factors that lend themselves to religion and addressing them appropriately and allowing it to naturally whither away. HELL YEAH NJNP IS A COMMIE NOW |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1684 Join date: 2008-04-04 Age: 21 Location: Sisyphean Hell
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:15 pm | |
| | Quote: | | HELL YEAH NJNP IS A COMMIE NOW |
... I'm still a part of the anarchist party, i just wanted to debate in the communist forum, since technically, communism is the end-game that all socialists (cept of course those quacks who believe we should stop and settle in the transitional state) shoot for. And i'm more of an anarcho-communist anyway, so it makes sense to be in both, no? _________________ "A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself." --Karl Polanyi--
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council

Posts: 3857 Join date: 2007-12-23 Age: 15 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:34 pm | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
how so? the ussr didn't break becuse of religon. |
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 2640 Join date: 2008-04-05 Age: 98 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:41 pm | |
| In a workers state, as Mark said materialist education. In communism there is no need, religion is gonn like totally. _________________  "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde |
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Riddler Hero of Socialist Labor

Posts: 487 Join date: 2008-01-31 Age: 18
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:49 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | Riddler wrote: | | Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
how so? the ussr didn't break becuse of religon. |
A lot of people were against the communist party because it banned the religion. This was one of the causes of the breakdown of the USSR. |
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council

Posts: 3857 Join date: 2007-12-23 Age: 15 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:54 pm | |
| | Riddler wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | Riddler wrote: | | Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
how so? the ussr didn't break becuse of religon. |
A lot of people were against the communist party because it banned the religion. This was one of the causes of the breakdown of the USSR. |
no they were against communism. marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1684 Join date: 2008-04-04 Age: 21 Location: Sisyphean Hell
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:33 pm | |
| Sorry to everyone. I've been swamped with work this week, so i haven't had the time necessary to post a proper response. I'll play a little devil's advocate soon here. _________________ "A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself." --Karl Polanyi--
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Watermelon ZEK in siberian gulag

Posts: 2640 Join date: 2008-04-05 Age: 98 Location: Iceland
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:37 pm | |
| So play it then. Riddler may help you lol. _________________  "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1684 Join date: 2008-04-04 Age: 21 Location: Sisyphean Hell
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:38 am | |
| | Emy wrote: | | So play it then. Riddler may help you lol. |
I'm busy, DAMN!!...
Alright, i'll begin, i guess.
| Quote: | | freedom of religion in all country's |
| Quote: | | Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
But is it not a problem that children are allowed to be indoctrinated into falsehood? What about religions that condone the killing of 'infidels', like Islam and Mormonism (ya, it's true)? Should we allow people to risk the lives of others and their own lives (since they would likely be dealt with accordingly if they attempted murder or something along this line) just because their parents were a part of the religion? Is that fair to the child? To the rest of the society? Religious fanatics and fundamentalists are a threat to everyone around them by their dogmatic, blind following alone. Why should their violent ways be allowed to persist?
| Quote: | | marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses |
Could this not've been the reason they opposed communism? Since religions like christianity, by its content, oppose communism? Christian religions straight up say that the rich were created for a reason... Even though they're supposed to take care of the poor, which they're doin a bang up job of nowadays, eh? _________________ "A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself." --Karl Polanyi--
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Comrade Pollett Experienced Party Member

Posts: 923 Join date: 2007-10-14 Age: 16 Location: Newfoundland and labrador
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:51 am | |
| | NoJustice.NoPeace wrote: | | Emy wrote: | | So play it then. Riddler may help you lol. |
I'm busy, DAMN!!...
Alright, i'll begin, i guess.
| Quote: | | freedom of religion in all country's |
| Quote: | | Banning religion is stupid and useless. History of the USSR has proven it. |
But is it not a problem that children are allowed to be indoctrinated into falsehood? What about religions that condone the killing of 'infidels', like Islam and Mormonism (ya, it's true)? Should we allow people to risk the lives of others and their own lives (since they would likely be dealt with accordingly if they attempted murder or something along this line) just because their parents were a part of the religion? Is that fair to the child? To the rest of the society? Religious fanatics and fundamentalists are a threat to everyone around them by their dogmatic, blind following alone. Why should their violent ways be allowed to persist?
| Quote: | | marx said that religion was the opimate of the masses |
Could this not've been the reason they opposed communism? Since religions like christianity, by its content, oppose communism? Christian religions straight up say that the rich were created for a reason... Even though they're supposed to take care of the poor, which they're doin a bang up job of nowadays, eh? | Christianity is to violence as Stalin is to communism. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Fri May 02, 2008 10:10 pm | |
| religion should be banned because it is an incarnation of the state. it is fueld by money which is of course financed by exploitation. however not exploiting ones labor but ones fears. but that is just my belief. |
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Comrade Pollett Experienced Party Member

Posts: 923 Join date: 2007-10-14 Age: 16 Location: Newfoundland and labrador
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Fri May 02, 2008 10:35 pm | |
| if i was to be born in a society completely equal were my religion was taken i would consider dieing for the right |
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Alek4A Hero of Socialist Labor

Posts: 410 Join date: 2008-05-06 Age: 17 Location: America
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:52 pm | |
| You can't ban belief. however i find it unlikely that a communist society could support a very strong religous current. |
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Tyrong Kojy Chairman of the WR Committee

Posts: 1760 Join date: 2008-04-11 Age: 22 Location: Canada
 | Subject: Re: Religion in a communist society Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:04 pm | |
| Religion will never die out, no matter how much I dislike it. What it needs to do, however, is chage. Yes, change and religion don't mix. Like water to oil. Or wine. He, he. Islam, Morman, Christian, Jewdiism, even most likely Hinduism and Buhdism as well, need to chage to flow with the views of society. Namely race relations, tolerance, and views on homosexuals, as well as women, and what the rest of humanity considers normal for laws and crime and punishment. For example, women showing their bodies as illegal? Not acording to most of society. Stoning? Not an aacceptable punishment. In fact, punishment is not as widely accepted anymore. Rehabilitation when applicable is. A Hitler like person would get life without question. A random murderer? Rehabilitation. Yes, he may reoffend, but that's what probation is for. It desn't always work. But nothing will always work. And it's not like any of the prison system is a deterent. Anyway, back to my previous point, religion would be more than welcom as long as it adherres to societal norms in order to prevent certain violent peoples. Or at least violence for those reasons, for the most part. I'm sure I'll think of more to add to this little speech later. _________________ "Jenaveve took everything from me. My friends, My family, Everything! Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying, Evil beyond imagining. I, Tyrong Kojy, The one whose power even the creator fears, Will stop her. Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!" Tyrong Kojy/Jenaveve by Nicholas Rivest
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