a look back

**enviro** · Subject: a look back Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:59 am

this post is a responce to the recently over interent survey of who was the greatest russianleader of all time.

the results were something like this

1.) peter the great
2.) stalin
3.) lenin

do you agree wtih theese results, and who do you think should have been mentioned who wasn't?

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**Tyrong Kojy** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:20 am

Didn't Stalin fuck everything up?

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:54 am

he did
but many people still think he got the most

but the defenition was
most powerfrul
most gernerous
or the best all around

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:54 am

Funny people still remember Mr Peter.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:25 pm

This is not a topic westerners can have a call on..

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:29 pm

well im just stating it,
it was interesting how many russians though that stalin was the greatest thing since sliced bread

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:15 pm

enviro wrote:

well im just stating it,
it was interesting how many russians though that stalin was the greatest thing since sliced bread

If you believe someone else is entitled to tell you what you need and how you should work (like those who think capitalism is good) then Stalin did a far better job at getting close to what people wanted than any single Tsar, even than who is considered the best Tsar of all, Peter the Great.

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: a look back Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:43 pm

but stalins purges killed millions of people, not even counting all the political killings and the work camps people were sent to

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**Tyrong Kojy** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:12 am

I think Zeal was being sarcastic.

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Will stop her.
Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"
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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:52 am

enviro wrote:

but stalins purges killed millions of people, not even counting all the political killings and the work camps people were sent to

Unfortunately for you and Mr. Conquest, there is no evidence for this. Ther were work camps indeed and it was most criminals who were sent there but it's impossible for millions to have got killed.

Claims of 20 million deaths are ludicrous enough let alone the ones that go as far as 100million.

Regardless of that, Stalinism, with all its flawed shit and terror brought an unprecedented progress in all aspects of Russian (Soviet) life.

For a tyrany, Stalin and overall the Soviet dictatprship, have been so far the best Russia has had.

Of course tyrany is shit, and that particular tyrany's capitalisticity made it horribly unstable.

Tyong Kojy wrote:

I think Zeal was being sarcastic.

Not his time Tyrong, not this time.

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**comrade110397** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:56 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This is not a topic westerners can have a call on..

I do. Im chinese.

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:00 am

comrade110397 wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This is not a topic westerners can have a call on..

I do. Im chinese.

For real?

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**comrade110397** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:28 am

CoolKidX wrote:

comrade110397 wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This is not a topic westerners can have a call on..

I do. Im chinese.

For real?

Ya

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:09 am

comrade110397 wrote:

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

This is not a topic westerners can have a call on..

I do. Im chinese.

You don't seem like. Even so, I'll rephrase: Non-soviets.

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:58 am

i do admit that stalins strict rezime, dide bring about a total iron revoltuion of russia, that accomplsihed in 10-20 years, would have taken 60 to accomplish
but is it worth a human life?

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:34 am

I think Russians are evil.

and Sweden is going to be the next Super power.

**comrade110397** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:57 am

Liche wrote:

I think Russians are evil.

and Sweden is going to be the next Super power.

No, norway is better.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:32 am

enviro wrote:

i do admit that stalins strict rezime, dide bring about a total iron revoltuion of russia, that accomplsihed in 10-20 years, would have taken 60 to accomplish
but is it worth a human life?

The arguement here is who was the best Tyrant. The best tyrant of those three tyrants was Stalin. Why? Because he brought the greatest progress within the context of a Social (although capitalist) dictatorship which implied the Russian living standards and overall development rose inmensely in contrast to what the Russian Empire used to be.

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any and every leader is a tyrant.
tyrants come about via coup de force
leaders just follow in the tradition.
from a purely economical aspect of it, the best being stalin.
he brought about a complete revolution in technology, an economic revolution, and higher standards of living (for those left alive)

but everyone of them is evil

albeit i still slightly respect lenin.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: a look back Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:46 am

beatnikzach wrote:

any and every leader is a tyrant.
tyrants come about via coup de force
leaders just follow in the tradition.
from a purely economical aspect of it, the best being stalin.
he brought about a complete revolution in technology, an economic revolution, and higher standards of living (for those left alive)

but everyone of them is evil

albeit i still slightly respect lenin.

Which is my point.

I don't know what to think about Lenin though. His NEP makes me question his socialisticity severly. After vanguardists can be geniune socialists, just vanguardism is not socialist.

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