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inkus2000
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|  Subject: China  Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:26 am | |
| China has been becoming more capitalist since Deng Xiaopings market reforms of the 1980's. In 2002 the Chinese communist party began to allow capitalists to join the party, ironic i know  LOL . Anyway since then an est 3 million have joined.
It must be understood however that the Chinese communist party remains split into two factions, The Shanghi coalition 'free market liberals' and The communist youthleauge the latter are left leaning and more in line with socialist principals, their members are mostly from Chinas interior provinces and rural areas.
Until the appointment of HuJintao the shanghi coalition ran things, however Hu is a member of the Communist youthleage as are most of the politburo.
HuJintao has made clear his agenda and seeks to cure many of the social ills caused by Chinas fast rise ie the wealth gap ect.
He does not seem to be moving back towards any sort socialist economic model but his plan for a harmonious society has been compared with the vision of old labor in the UK. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: china Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:45 am | |
| The Socialist Market Economy policy isn't exactly at odds with socialism and there is actually not a lack of social progress since China is actually still a very poor country but free and universal primary school now exists and progress is being made towards universal secondary school and health coverage. Labor rights and wages are always increasing as well.
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inkus2000
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| | Subject: China Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:09 am | |
| China no longer has market socialism only a third of the economy is state owned so it is mainly capitalist as far as economics go.
It could be best described as a mixed economy. |
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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| | Subject: Re: china Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:36 am | |
| | inkus2000 wrote: | China no longer has market socialism only a third of the economy is state owned so it is mainly capitalist as far as economics go.
It could be best described as a mixed economy. |
It was always capitalism anyway. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: china Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:46 am | |
| | inkus2000 wrote: | China no longer has market socialism only a third of the economy is state owned so it is mainly capitalist as far as economics go.
It could be best described as a mixed economy. |
Perhaps, but I was referring to the official name of the current policy.
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
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| | Subject: Re: china Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:32 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | The Socialist Market Economy policy isn't exactly at odds with socialism and there is actually not a lack of social progress since China is actually still a very poor country but free and universal primary school now exists and progress is being made towards universal secondary school and health coverage. Labor rights and wages are always increasing as well. |
chinas avreag income is 900$.
the avrage income in cityes is about 10 times higer, HUGE GAP |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: china Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:46 pm | |
| To quote a native born Chinese declaring his country, "We are the greatest 3rd world Nation in the world."
Enough said.
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:12 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | To quote a native born Chinese declaring his country, "We are the greatest 3rd world Nation in the world."
Enough said. |
thechincly they aren't 3rd world they are 4th, fast growing emerging cuntry. |
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Diogritor
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:54 am | |
| | that would be 2nd world. 1st world is places like US and UK |
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:48 am | |
| | Diogritor wrote: | | that would be 2nd world. 1st world is places like US and UK |
morelike Denmark,Iceland,sweden,norway and finland sice all but denmark are top ten best places to live. |
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mononokifool
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:43 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | Diogritor wrote: | | that would be 2nd world. 1st world is places like US and UK |
morelike Denmark,Iceland,sweden,norway and finland sice all but denmark are top ten best places to live. |
you have some kind of affinity for Scandinavia huh?
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inkus2000
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:29 pm | |
| chinas avreag income is 900$.
the avrage income in cityes is about 10 times higer, HUGE GAP[/quote]
Yes but China is still a developing nation.
Its also worth remembering that China has a much higher growth rate per capita than many of the more - 'capitalist' developing nations.
A third of the economy is still state owned - this is a FAR larger percentage than most developing nations. |
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:48 pm | |
| | inkus2000 wrote: | chinas avreag income is 900$.
the avrage income in cityes is about 10 times higer, HUGE GAP |
Yes but China is still a developing nation.
Its also worth remembering that China has a much higher growth rate per capita than many of the more - 'capitalist' developing nations.
A third of the economy is still state owned - this is a FAR larger percentage than most developing nations.[/quote]
umm the gov here owns 35% |
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inkus2000
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| | Subject: reply Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:11 pm | |
| Acctualy in Iceland only 23.5% of the economy is state owned - index of economic freedom 2008.
Besides, Iceland is NOT a developing nation. |
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: china Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:29 pm | |
| | inkus2000 wrote: | Acctualy in Iceland only 23.5% of the economy is state owned - index of economic freedom 2008.
Besides, Iceland is NOT a developing nation. |
dose that really matter ANYWAY it was 30% something just awhile back theywe been privatising liike crazy. |
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Anarchist.Dagger
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Location : Land of the free, but not me
| | Subject: Re: china Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:06 pm | |
| No, China is not communist. No, China is not socialist. It is a country that employs capital and wage-slavery, like most others, generally along the lines of the US, Britain, etc. Their goal, as far as they say (i'll believe it when i see it) is to greatly industrialize for a translation into socialism. If this doesn't happen, then they will just crumble in a predominantly capitalistic world. I wish them the best of luck (and hey, the majority of the people still back their government).
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: china Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:52 pm | |
| | NoJustice.NoPeace wrote: | | No, China is not communist. No, China is not socialist. It is a country that employs capital and wage-slavery, like most others, generally along the lines of the US, Britain, etc. Their goal, as far as they say (i'll believe it when i see it) is to greatly industrialize for a translation into socialism. If this doesn't happen, then they will just crumble in a predominantly capitalistic world. I wish them the best of luck (and hey, the majority of the people still back their government). |
yeah but there are no elections in china, am I right? |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: china Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:17 am | |
| Wrong! China DOES have elections and just like the Electoral College in the US, some office holders pick to "represent" the people.
Although...it would be rather interesting if the Mandate of Heaven was applied in America...
America would change governments every 10 seconds. 
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
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Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: china Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:14 pm | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | Wrong! China DOES have elections and just like the Electoral College in the US, some office holders pick to "represent" the people.
Although...it would be rather interesting if the Mandate of Heaven was applied in America...
America would change governments every 10 seconds. |
oh yeah so the reprisentitives vote a goverment. |
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Cyprian Uljanow
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Location : Wroclaw
| | Subject: Re: china Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:14 am | |
| | And representatives are picked by the people seams like a democratic circle to me. |
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