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im not even going to try.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:39 pm

RedSoviet wrote:

yup capitalism kills

and communism dosn't.

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I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

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**Tyrong Kojy** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:23 pm

Communism sucks. Capitalism sucks. A combo will suck, but be better. As long as a good leader is around. In other words you all KNOW it will suck.

That's been Communism's issue. Shit leaders. And Capitalism, at that. both CAN work if done RIGHT. Sadly, neither have. Tax cuts for the rich? More taxes for the poor? Don't blame Capitalism, blade leaders. Lots die in Communism? The issue's been the leaders trying to do stuff without the resources, or really even thinking it through. Oh, and trying to make it happen too fast. For it to work it's be a slower process.

My point is it all sucks. Neither is an end all be all. ANARCHY is in fact a much better prospect, but after a few years IT would suck, TOO!

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you should read some marx bro.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:11 pm

beatnikzach wrote:

you should read some marx bro.

yeah so you can know really how dumb communism really is.

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I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

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**Jeiro Sijakeuigwan** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:57 pm

mattabesta wrote:

yeah so you can know really how dumb communism really is.

NO U!

ORLY? I find it FUNNY that communism truly preaches equality and democracy for all, while capitalism says stuff about money and making yourself the "best".

Irony, huh? I'd much rather fight for a system that calls for equality in the world than work for paper that gets you nowhere in life, ususally because MOST people who actually try fail miserably and can never get back up.

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:22 pm

communism sucks, marx made hi theorys without understanding humans, i have read marx it sounds good on paper, all you guys are following is a utopian fantasy

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its scientific socialism brozer
he understod humans, dialectical materialism ring a bell?

**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:49 pm

yea i does, but why hasnt it been applied?

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**Jeiro Sijakeuigwan** · Subject: Re: history Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:58 pm

enviro wrote:

yea i does, but why hasnt it been applied?

People in power. Also known as, the capitalists.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:50 am

Hoxhaist wrote:

It has been applied and it has been applied effectively. Just as Marx predicted, socialism was established. The Soviet Union was more successful han capitalism has ever been.

I agree the USSR was in many aspects far more succesful than free market capitalisms, but, unfortunately it was also based on capitalism meaning it would sooner or later self-destruct.

**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:17 am

the ussr was succesful? they didnt produce plastic, people were treated ike shit, they had the most crappiest cars and technology, and thier food was in short supply

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**Tyrong Kojy** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:41 pm

As I said before, don't blame communism for that. Blame the leader.

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My friends,
My family,
Everything!
Her ambitions to dominate the universe are terrifying,
Evil beyond imagining.
I,
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Will stop her.
Even if I have to destroy the universe to do it!"
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**mononokifool** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:42 pm

I cant believe noone said people like Karl Marx or Engles. And to be honest no true socialist or communist would just kill people. We all want a peacfull revolution. Its when the capitalist start shooting at us that they have to resist for basic survival really.

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**Tyrlop** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:07 pm

mononokifool wrote:

I cant believe noone said people like Karl Marx or Engles. And to be honest no true socialist or communist would just kill people. We all want a peacfull revolution. Its when the capitalist start shooting at us that they have to resist for basic survival really.

and ofcourse they will shot at us, becuas who wants to give away all your power, and when they do shot at us then theyll say that we started so the people will belive in them becus the controll the media.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:42 pm

enviro wrote:

the ussr was succesful? they didnt produce plastic, people were treated ike shit, they had the most crappiest cars and technology, and thier food was in short supply

So USSR didn't produce plastic, yet it had a lot of plastic products. I have lived with around 20-30 people that lived in the USSR and they told me that people was inmensely more kind back then, that it was much easier to trust in someone, that people were much more solidary. Treated like shit? How? Where? By whom? Under which circumstances? Crappiest cars? They move, they can endure up to around 20 years, they are better suited for Russian terrain how can they be crappy? Crappy technology? Are you serious? The best warplanes, the best and most powerful helicopters, some of the finest ships, the best rockets, the best assault rifle, excelent public transportation vehicles, excellent construction systems. How can that be crappy technology? Food supply was short mainly in wartimes and post Deténte times.

**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:27 pm

USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars.
USSR had the best ausult rifile to, but the AK-47 can u see in almost evry rebellion country...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

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**RedSoviet** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:35 pm

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USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars

lol 1, lol 2, lol3

the had a better computer technologie and thats all, best rockets? lol are you kidding me? were are your best rockets? which category? they are no caregory were you were better at rockets, best cars lol again, but yeah maybe you had some better civili cars.... and?

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USSR had the best ausult rifile to, but the AK-47 can u see in almost evry rebellion country...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

they are a ot of them and? if they are many so they are bad? you dont now shit about militäry technologie, but the AK-47 is realy old now, but whats with the AK-74 or 74M they are still VERY modern and god assult rifles

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:36 pm

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

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**Jeiro Sijakeuigwan** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:37 pm

CoolKidX wrote:

USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars.
...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

lol, Afghanistan? Saddam's Iraq? Iran Contra? And furthermore, Russia just gave away hard military ware (tanks, guns, missile systems, etc) while US gives BIOLOGICAL weapons to their allies to accomplish any means possible.

>:3c

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