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**RedSoviet** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:37 pm

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points Suspect

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:44 pm

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points Suspect

About what?
plastic?

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**RedSoviet** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:13 pm

CoolKidX wrote:

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points Suspect

About what?
plastic?

lol, can you read kidd? did you read my post? about rockets, technologie and assult rifles

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: history Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:33 pm

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points Suspect

THE OTHER POINTS!!
Like what asult riffles and all, i already sayd that, so what other points, plastic?

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:19 am

dude my dad and grandpa lived in the ussr, understalin gorabachev jurchev and breznev
they told me waht its like, army treated you like shit, carscost a shitload AND are crappy, inflaition was immenet, your arguing that a country that had 2 nutcases and feel spart was more succesful than the US?

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**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:49 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

yeah so you can know really how dumb communism really is.

NO U!

ORLY? I find it FUNNY that communism truly preaches equality and democracy for all, while capitalism says stuff about money and making yourself the "best".

Irony, huh? I'd much rather fight for a system that calls for equality in the world than work for paper that gets you nowhere in life, ususally because MOST people who actually try fail miserably and can never get back up.

oh god, Irony, huh? I'd much rather fight for a system that actually works.

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I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:54 am

enviro wrote:

dude my dad and grandpa lived in the ussr, understalin gorabachev jurchev and breznev

So my Russian teacher, my girlfriend's family and lots of my friends' families. I lived 1 month in provincial Russia and had chance to be inmersed in some of the aspects of soviet life. My girlfriend's mother is a doctor in Russian and Soviet history, her father is an official in the army, 2 of her uncles are war veterans, one from Afghanistan. I have travelled in Ladas, in volgas in Zhigulis. I have travelled in the Tu-154. The Moscow metro is the metro I have used the most after Mexico's metro. I know how Russia is and I have a good amount of non-biased refrences of how USSR was.

USSR had lots of hard times... it had to recover from a war, it had to face a contradictory system and a tremendous arms race. And even so it managed to develop much more in several aspects than any western nation.

enviro wrote:

they told me waht its like, army treated you like shit,

The army, but you seemed to imply every single human in the USSR was treated like shit. Now, although I don't agree with taht military doctrine, it has a premise: war is terrible. They prepare soldiers to face the difficulties of a war, the ruthlessness, the suffering, they prepare them for the inhumane conditions of a war. My girlfriend's uncle served in the Airbourne divisions, he was first stationed in East Germany, then Hungary, Czechslovakia and then served a short period in Afghanistan and he has good remembrances of his times in the army. Her other uncle srved in Chechnya and even got injured by cluster bombs, after that he still remained quite patriotic and eager to serve in the army.

enviro wrote:

carscost a shitload AND are crappy,

They were indeed hard to get, but crappy? Like anyting western nations could offer was way better. Volgas didn't seem in any way inferior to western cars to me and Ladas seemed as good as any car of their kind the west can offer. Else, Soviet cars were (are, for Russians) better fitted for the Russian winter and I saw it when being in Russia. I would see BMW's stuck in the snowy streets while Soviet made cars would move normally.

For a car to be crappy it has to be MUCH worse than standard cars. That doesn't apply to Soviet cars.

Besides, with such a magnificent public transportation system, why would someone need a car?

enviro wrote:

inflaition was immenet, your arguing that a country that had 2 nutcases and feel spart was more succesful than the US?

The failure of the Soviet system has been already broadly explained. Yet it had a lot of great things: Nearly no unemployment, education for all, healthcare for all, excellent technology, cultural preservation, excellent infrastructure, powerful industries.... it had a lot of good aspects.

From a socialist point of view, USSR was more succesful than US.

**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:39 pm

No offence Zealut but almost evryone u know from the USSR think it was great and those ppl are like a couple %.
But seriusly u want to live in today's russia now or in the USSR?

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:50 pm

[quote="CoolKidX"]No offence Zealut but almost evryone u know from the USSR think it was great and those ppl are like a couple %.[/quoet]

Actually not. When I ask them, "hat's better USSR or Russia?" they say "Hard to tell, we lack now what we had in USSR and now we have what we lacked in USSR. If I had to choose, I'd choose either of both". Besides, the people I know represent the average Russian citizen.

CoolKidX wrote:

But seriusly u want to live in today's russia now or in the USSR?

If USSR still existed I wouldn't have though it twice, I would have moved there 2 years ago.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:36 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

They were indeed hard to get, but crappy? Like anyting western nations could offer was way better. Volgas didn't seem in any way inferior to western cars to me and Ladas seemed as good as any car of their kind the west can offer. Else, Soviet cars were (are, for Russians) better fitted for the Russian winter and I saw it when being in Russia. I would see BMW's stuck in the snowy streets while Soviet made cars would move normally

zealot they were imported to iceland lada is anothere name for crappy car here.

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stos wrote:
I'm with the left commies on this one.

I'm not back I'm just bored to death.

''Any society that would give up a little liberty, to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both.'' - Benjamin Franklin

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:45 pm

mattabesta wrote:

zealot they were imported to iceland lada is anothere name for crappy car here.

Statement that being true would serve as proof that Icelanders are not objective.

**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:38 pm

they had a great reailway system, what RE YOU SMOKINg and dont say weed cuz thats taken

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:27 am

enviro wrote:

they had a great reailway system, what RE YOU SMOKINg and dont say weed cuz thats taken

Are you trying to imply that to state something like that I'd need to be out of my mind? Sorry to dissapoint you but no.

I've used both US and Russian railway systems and I see no superiority in USA's railway systems... Does that make USA systems crappy too? I've also used Italian railway systems and I don't see their advantage.... so, what's the quality paragon? Have Japanese and French bullet trains been the railway standard already for long perhaps? I don't think so.

**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:21 pm

dude srry if this is of topic but my gym teacher siad that the russian took muscle samples form babies, and dependig on the mucsle samples, they trained them into a certain type of athlete, I SNORTED A TWINKI WHEN I HEARD THAT

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: history Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:32 pm

enviro wrote:

dude srry if this is of topic but my gym teacher siad that the russian took muscle samples form babies, and dependig on the mucsle samples, they trained them into a certain type of athlete, I SNORTED A TWINKI WHEN I HEARD THAT

Completely unlikely.

**enviro** · Subject: Re: history Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:14 pm

exactly i thought he was an idot

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