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Ryom
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|  Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society  Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:04 am | |
| ever since the first red scare in 1917 Americans have been hostile towards communism, but in all fairness we Europeans was ¨afraid¨ of communism at some point during the cold war but not in the same extend as the US was.
but answer your question
no, the Americans are just more eligible (or naive if you will) by nature which Joseph McCarthy (founder of McCarthysim) took advantage of |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:09 am | |
| | Ryom wrote: | ever since the first red scare in 1917 Americans have been hostile towards communism, but in all fairness we Europeans was ¨afraid¨ of communism at some point during the cold war but not in the same extend as the US was.
but answer your question
no, the Americans are just more eligible (or naive if you will) by nature which Joseph McCarthy (founder of McCarthysim) took advantage of |
Americans are very naive, but I think its because of the exceptionalism. |
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Ryom
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:17 am | |
| | and in a truly Democratic society propaganda would not be needed, propaganda is used when the government does not trust the people to make the ¨right¨ decision |
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:50 pm | |
| | Ryom wrote: | ever since the first red scare in 1917 Americans have been hostile towards communism, but in all fairness we Europeans was ¨afraid¨ of communism at some point during the cold war but not in the same extend as the US was.
but answer your question
no, the Americans are just more eligible (or naive if you will) by nature which Joseph McCarthy (founder of McCarthysim) took advantage of |
americans are just so easy to fool |
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Ryom
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:40 pm | |
| the American public: the biggest flock of sheep in the world
no offence to all you yanks  |
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Diogritor
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:44 pm | |
| | Ryom wrote: | the American public: the biggest flock of sheep in the world
no offence to all you yanks |
Offence IS taken...
America is a big nation. It has a lot of people so naturally it will have a bigger number of dumb asses. but it also has a bigger number of smart people. |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:09 pm | |
| | Diogritor wrote: |
America is a big nation. It has a lot of people so naturally it will have a bigger number of dumb asses. but it also has a bigger number of smart people. |
Yeah. But the majority of America's dumb people FAR outweigh the smart ones, unfortunately...
About 30 million compared to China's...er, 1.something billion. Who's bigger now? XD
BTW, I live in America currently. It sucks...but I can manage. People are nice enough. ^o^ Now if the government would just quit cramming us "anti-everything" propaganda... 
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:44 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: |
About 30 million compared to China's...er, 1.something billion. Or even Korea's 70 million. Who's bigger now? XD
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Are you talking about USA? USA is 300 million people. |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:23 am | |
| | Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: |
Are you talking about USA? USA is 300 million people. |
Oh snap! My mistake. ^^;;
I always get the 30-300 mixed up...  Argh... XD
As for the propaganda here... >.< It's pretty bad. The army commericals pop up like crazy. Like, "Navy. Accelerate your Life" and "Join the few. The Proud. The Marines."
Not a single scene of chaotic combat but the "cool things" like missiles, uniforms, guns, bombs, and crap. There all there. All promoting "adventure at the tips of your fingers".  Well, I admit, it DOES build leadership and discipline but when in combat...
It's a different story...
I joined JROTC since I thought it would help in my discipline. Turns out, ever since the new leadership took over, discipline got worse and worse. It's pretty bad right now but...I think it will improve.
I plan to get outta anyways. Since the only advice I ever take is from Asians. lol, joking. XD ROFLS!!! |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:38 am | |
| | I would say that about 49% of the population of the USA are "dumb asses" but this chiefly because Americans are encouraged at a very young age to feel a great deal of exceptionalism which influences the the culture and media to discourage being informed about the outside world. Because of this, Americans are ignorant and isolated and have no concept of their major role in the international community which is made even worse by fact that for the same reasons, they intellectually weak and very susceptible to propaganda. |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:04 am | |
| That maybe true. But even WORSE are the ones who are smart...and feel fucking superior about it... D:
That it what pisses about me off of most Americans. The smart ones are smart...but they feel like they own the entire world. For serious.
How I know? I got into a HEUG fight with an American economist and well, damn.  Let's just say, he loves to give me a boot in the face and grind me into dust. Even worse, the fat bastard disparanged a former friend of mine EXACTLY the same way.
People like THAT are one of the reasons why the world hates America...
Exceptionalism? Yep. True as well. For fkin' serious. Just recently, my school got a foreign language class. Chinese is what I am taking. ^o^ And the students in my class...
OMFG! I want them to shut up, but they go straight back to talking once my Chinese teacher warns them. Oh yeah, this is the excuse they ALWAYS say to justify their actions.
"This is America! USA!"
WTFness to the ba-googleth level!!! |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:12 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | That maybe true. But even WORSE are the ones who are smart...and feel fucking superior about it... D:
That it what pisses about me off of most Americans. The smart ones are smart...but they feel like they own the entire world. For serious.
How I know? I got into a HEUG fight with an American economist and well, damn. Let's just say, he loves to give me a boot in the face and grind me into dust. Even worse, the fat bastard disparanged a former friend of mine EXACTLY the same way.
People like THAT are one of the reasons why the world hates America...
Exceptionalism? Yep. True as well. For fkin' serious. Just recently, my school got a foreign language class. Chinese is what I am taking. ^o^ And the students in my class...
OMFG! I want them to shut up, but they go straight back to talking once my Chinese teacher warns them. Oh yeah, this is the excuse they ALWAYS say to justify their actions.
"This is America! USA!"
WTFness to the ba-googleth level!!! |
I think its a good deal in part to the fact they have no understanding of the political and socio-economic establishment, for example, a friend of mine once had a class in which a student did not know about either of the two parties and my most of the people in the class thought there was nothing unusual about him not knowink that. |
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Diogritor
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:26 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | That maybe true. But even WORSE are the ones who are smart...and feel fucking superior about it... D:
That it what pisses about me off of most Americans. The smart ones are smart...but they feel like they own the entire world. For serious.
How I know? I got into a HEUG fight with an American economist and well, damn. Let's just say, he loves to give me a boot in the face and grind me into dust. Even worse, the fat bastard disparanged a former friend of mine EXACTLY the same way.
People like THAT are one of the reasons why the world hates America...
Exceptionalism? Yep. True as well. For fkin' serious. Just recently, my school got a foreign language class. Chinese is what I am taking. ^o^ And the students in my class...
OMFG! I want them to shut up, but they go straight back to talking once my Chinese teacher warns them. Oh yeah, this is the excuse they ALWAYS say to justify their actions.
"This is America! USA!"
WTFness to the ba-googleth level!!! |
gotta disagree with that. again, those are the dumb ones. Its the dumb asses who think they are superior and will act like asses. you on the other hand are a smart one and know when to shut up. |
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:35 pm | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | That maybe true. But even WORSE are the ones who are smart...and feel fucking superior about it... D:
That it what pisses about me off of most Americans. The smart ones are smart...but they feel like they own the entire world. For serious.
How I know? I got into a HEUG fight with an American economist and well, damn. Let's just say, he loves to give me a boot in the face and grind me into dust. Even worse, the fat bastard disparanged a former friend of mine EXACTLY the same way.
People like THAT are one of the reasons why the world hates America...
Exceptionalism? Yep. True as well. For fkin' serious. Just recently, my school got a foreign language class. Chinese is what I am taking. ^o^ And the students in my class...
OMFG! I want them to shut up, but they go straight back to talking once my Chinese teacher warns them. Oh yeah, this is the excuse they ALWAYS say to justify their actions.
"This is America! USA!"
WTFness to the ba-googleth level!!! |
they don't act like they own the world they dooo. |
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:14 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: |
they don't act like they own the world they dooo. |
They act like if they did and many people buy it. |
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Ryom
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:54 pm | |
| | Zealot look around you they do, they can do what ever they please and we cant do a freaking thing about it, just look at the war in Iraq even tho the UN said no they still did it, and if that wasent bad enough we (most of the UN armed forces) are now helping them fighting in this dirty war |
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Zealot_Kommunizma
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:54 pm | |
| | Ryom wrote: | | Zealot look around you they do, they can do what ever they please and we cant do a freaking thing about it, just look at the war in Iraq even tho the UN said no they still did it, and if that wasent bad enough we (most of the UN armed forces) are now helping them fighting in this dirty war |
Do you take the UN seriously? the UN intervened in the Korean War in favour of US and guess what, from the US side the greatest casualties were from the UN. The UN will first give its troops as cannon fodder for US enterprises rather than stopping US from interventing in any other country.
If the do anything they want is because no one opposes them. As simple as that. So far the greatest demonstration of oppositon to US is beng the SCO. |
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Ryom
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:57 pm | |
| | i did take the UN seriously, but after Iraq it became just as big a joke as the EU |
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:25 am | |
| Even the UN HeadQaurters in located in New York. =/ Just shows how much power America has over the UN. They viterally have an "iron fist".
And don't even get me started on just how MUCH I hate the US because of those two "communist containment" wars, Korea and Vietnam. The US had absolutely NO right to intervene but they did anyway because they were "scared" and wanted to show Russia that they are the "best".
Both wars, no sides really asked for a quarter nor got any. It was just pure unsuger-coated massarces for both sides. The US Airforce even had Pentagon approval to bomb the living crap outta Korean and Vietnamese villages "just to contain communism". But if Korea was communist, it would be EXACTLY like Vietnam right now. Vietnam now has a thriving economy and they are extremely modernizing, growing to a developing modern nation. The reason?
Their enemy, the US, was systematically pwnt in Vietnam and humiliated across the world. Simply take the enemy out of factor, and what's left? Nothing really... =/
Not to mention the various reigimes the US lavishly supported simply because they did not have the word "Communism" in it. Suharto, Rhee, Park, Diem, etc.
Oh yeah, very nice of "democracy" to "bring" freedom. All the while effectively sugar-coating their mistakes and demonizing communism. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Propaganda in a democratic society Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:58 am | |
| | Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote: | Even the UN HeadQaurters in located in New York. =/ Just shows how much power America has over the UN. They viterally have an "iron fist".
And don't even get me started on just how MUCH I hate the US because of those two "communist containment" wars, Korea and Vietnam. The US had absolutely NO right to intervene but they did anyway because they were "scared" and wanted to show Russia that they are the "best".
Both wars, no sides really asked for a quarter nor got any. It was just pure unsuger-coated massarces for both sides. The US Airforce even had Pentagon approval to bomb the living crap outta Korean and Vietnamese villages "just to contain communism". But if Korea was communist, it would be EXACTLY like Vietnam right now. Vietnam now has a thriving economy and they are extremely modernizing, growing to a developing modern nation. The reason?
Their enemy, the US, was systematically pwnt in Vietnam and humiliated across the world. Simply take the enemy out of factor, and what's left? Nothing really... =/
Not to mention the various reigimes the US lavishly supported simply because they did not have the word "Communism" in it. Suharto, Rhee, Park, Diem, etc.
Oh yeah, very nice of "democracy" to "bring" freedom. All the while effectively sugar-coating their mistakes and demonizing communism. |
There are quite a few people I've met who think the US won or tied in the Vietnam or that the US won the Cold War when it defeated the USSR in WW2 in the 1960's. |
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