We've had a somewhat unorganized introduction to Komsomol. In order to correct that I propose:

In order to join Komsomol, you have posted topics with Polls so that people votes "Yes, no, Undecided". Else I have noticed some failed to please the bureaucratic caprices of Kenzu "Red Bureaucrat" Milagro.

We'll settle some rules here for the application:

1. You must start a thread with a topic refernt to your petition to join "Komsomol"
2. In that thread you'll post why you want to join and why do you think you should join.
3. It will cointain a Poll with the question "May I join Komsomol?" and 3 options: "Yes, No, Undecided".
4. Polls must allow "vote cancelling", this to allow users to change their mind in case they've been convinced by arguements during the one week trial period.

EDITED:
Polls will be closed after 12 votes, or when they reach 7 positive votes, if that happens before a total of 12 votes has been achieved.

From now on, and unless Kenzu boldly goes against, anyone applying to Komsomol must have at least 51% positive points as result of their poll.

Those who vote must give a reasonable arguement on why they chose wether the petitioner should join or not.

Thanks,
Zealot_Kommunizma, co-administrator of the WR forums.


EDIT BY KENZU:

To become a Komsomol member, you have also to pass the following test. You can post this form along with the answers in your thread.

KOMSOMOL EXAM (answer in your own words)
please answer all questions! 75% is needed to pass (at least 15 out of 20)

2 points
Explain communism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain socialism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain capitalism in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain democracy in at least one sentence:

2 points
Explain dictatorship in at least one sentence:

2 points
Name at least one communist country:

2 points
How many communist countries exist currently?

2 points
What kind of economic system is there currently in EU countries?
(type the name of the system)

2 points
Give a scenario when each of the following is bad:
dictatorship, democracy

2 points
What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy. (name at least one strength and one weakness for each.)

75% are needed to pass!

Thank you comrade!

I agree, but does it have to be 12 votes and one week?

Would 10 votes not be enough? How did you come up with exactly 12? Does it have any special meaning I am not aware of?

can only members vote?

There is no minimum amount of posts? Or minimum amount of time subscribed as a member of WR? Or a need to show an understanding of class conflict?

Also, what are the perks involved with joining 'Komsomol'. Are there threads that are only visible by its members?

100 post or above

Oh, good idea!

I think I will make a questionaire. It will be a small test on your understanding of world affairs, socialism, democracy etc.

People who pass the test will be able to join.

People who are in Komsomol already must pass it in order to stay.

Any ideas on the questions?

I got some:
Explain what is democracy with one sentence:

Explain what is socialism with one sentence:

Name at least one communist country:

How many communist countries exist currently?

...

Democracy is XXXXX

Socialism is when XXXXX are XXXXX.

Communist country is XXXXX. Communism must be XXXXX.

Communism has XXXXX and XXXXX.

Do I pass?

ADMIN'S NOTE: it is all correct, but I had to remove it.

^^ haha, i think he was just brainstorming.

Kenzu, I'm glad you agree their should be some level of knowledge involved with membership, but i was more just thinking that you should have to show in your posts that you have a grasp of class struggle, communism, etc.

If you feel set on making a test though, I would definitely include something to gauge the applicants knowledge of class struggle, since it is centric and crucial to the socialist cause.

Exactly. That was brainstorming. So what other questions?

maybe:

explain the following terms: communism, socialism, capitalism.

Give a scenario when each of the following is bad:
dictatorship, democracy

What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy.

What kind of economic system is there in EU?

^^ hush. If you give up all the answers, there's no point in having a test, haha.

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Exactly. That was brainstorming. So what other questions? maybe: explain the following terms: communism, socialism, capitalism. Give a scenario when each of the following is bad: dictatorship, democracy What are the strengths and weaknesses of free market and centrally planned economy. What kind of economic system is there in EU?

Hmm, if you go so in-depth, you'll alienate those who are still learning. I think basic grasps of socialist thinking should be covered, unless you plan to root out quite a few komsomol members and leave the komsomol for more intellectual, committed revolutionaries (which isn't a bad thing, necessarily).

Those are good questions to ask, though, i suppose. I might leave out the part about Europe, since not a lot would know if they didn't live there.

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"A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself."
--Karl Polanyi--

i think there should be a test based on each individual's political affiliation....


only fair i think...

Well, since we seem to have more people gettin on board with this idea, maybe we should start a new thread and thoroughly discuss, debate and decide, democratically, what the substance of the application 'test' should involve, as well as what sorts of people should be allowed in komsomol (Cos if it were decided this way, it could grow, someday, into a pretty good platform for committed revolutionaries [just a thought]).

All in favor?

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*changes votes on retarded members*

haha, i see how you roll. Wait til everyone votes you into komsomol then start offending people... very sneaky

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i think there should be a test based on each individual's political affiliation....

Well, in order to be a socialist of any kind, you must at least have some grasp of class conflict, capitalism, and basic ideas of communism or anarchism. I don't suggest you must be oh so enlightened, but you should be able to prove that you actually have some idea of what you're advocating, no?

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"A market economy must comprise all elements of industry including labor, land and money [...] But labor and land are no other than the human beings themselves of which every society consists and the natural surroundings in which it exists. To include them in the market mechanism means to subordinate the substance of society itself."
--Karl Polanyi--

Then why is Diogritor, Matta, etc. in it.

I was more refering to the EU question. And i'm also not sure what you meant by describe when democracy is bad. Isn't democracy inherently good? or are you refering to people who are brainwashed being involved in making societal decisions?