Hutin's new political profile !

**Hutin** · Subject: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:18 am

I believe in..

Absolute and enlightened despotism.
A market with no restrictions at all.
Colonialism.
Deserved and non-herited nobility.
Expansionism/Imperialism.
Free Education.
Free Heatlhcare.
Intolerance and sanctions toward religions.
Legalisation of mutual willing violence.
Most of individual liberties.
Militarism.
Nationalism.
Uniculturalism.

I don't believe in ...

Death penalty.
Multiculturalism.
Internationalism.
Pacifism.
Pink alternatives.
Social equality.
Racism.

I'm sick sick of ...

Left idealists , control freaks, and fascist alarmists.

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:34 am

Hutin_Khan wrote:

I believe in..

Absolute and enlightened despotism.
A market with no restrictions at all.
Colonialism.
Deserved and non-herited nobility.
Expansionism/Imperialism.
Free Education.
Free Heatlhcare.
Intolerance toward religions.
Legalisation of mutual willing violence.
Most of individual liberties.
Militarism.
Nationalism.
Uniculturalism.

I don't believe in ...

Death penalty.
Multiculturalism.
Internationalism.
Pacifism.
Pink alternatives.
Social equality.
Racism.

I'm sick sick of ...

Left idealists , control freaks, and fascist alarmists.

Trolling?

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**Hutin** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:01 am

Not at all. Liche, Lilith and Zealot can testify.

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:25 pm

Hutin wrote:

Not at all. Liche, Lilith and Zealot can testify.

Never thought I'd see a 21st-century monarchist.

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How can you maintain a completely free market, yet wish to have free education and healthcare for all? Under a completely free market, there will be competing businesses in each of these two industries, but they certainly can't offer those services for free. Either one of two things must be done:

A.) You must regulate the market by socializing these two industries. The problem, then, is that you won't have a truly free market.

B.) You let the market do what it does, let various companies arise in these two industries - since there will always be a market for them - and do not regulate them. The problem, then, would be that you can't have free education and healthcare for all; it will be education and healthcare based on prices set by the marketplace.

So how can you consolidate these two?

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I take issue with a lot more things than the above point, but I figured that it would be the only one I could argue against save for getting into an argument over pathos.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:57 pm

World Wide Web, it's not the first time someone confronts Hutin with this predicament (I have done in MSN) and his answer simply tends to be that he favours the idea that people should have the illusion of welfare while in reality they're simply getting ripped off.

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:24 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

World Wide Web, it's not the first time someone confronts Hutin with this predicament (I have done in MSN) and his answer simply tends to be that he favours the idea that people should have the illusion of welfare while in reality they're simply getting ripped off.

I see.

Chomsky called those "necessary illusions".

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**Hutin** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:48 pm

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How can you maintain a completely free market, yet wish to have free education and healthcare for all? Under a completely free market, there will be competing businesses in each of these two industries, but they certainly can't offer those services for free. Either one of two things must be done:
A.) You must regulate the market by socializing these two industries. The problem, then, is that you won't have a truly free market.
B.) You let the market do what it does, let various companies arise in these two industries - since there will always be a market for them - and do not regulate them. The problem, then, would be that you can't have free education and healthcare for all; it will be education and healthcare based on prices set by the marketplace.

There is a third way. Never heard about colonial state compagnies, colonial bonds and state colonial stocks ? Never heard about state-run business such as banks and groceries ? Those institutions could compete with and crush all the other compagnies, and expand outside , bringing money to the motherland. Sounds absurd ? It can be done.

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World Wide Web, it's not the first time someone confronts Hutin with this predicament (I have done in MSN)

I would not be prouds of this, sir, you can take over me for one reason only ; your superior writing skills.

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:16 pm

Hutin wrote:

There is a third way. Never heard about colonial state compagnies, colonial bonds and state colonial stocks ? Never heard about state-run business such as banks and groceries ? Those institutions could compete with and crush all the other compagnies, and expand outside , bringing money to the motherland. Sounds absurd ? It can be done.

Wouldnt that leave the people in that colony in poverty/poorness?

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:20 pm

Hutin wrote:

I would not be prouds of this, sir, you can take over me for one reason only ; your superior writing skills.

I'm not proud or ashamed. I don't see it as a victory. I'm simply demonstrating which your beliefs are.

CoolKidX wrote:

Wouldnt that leave the people in that colony in poverty/poorness?

What do you think the whole 1st world-3rd world relationship is about?

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**Wakizashi** · Experienced Pioneer Posts: 51 Join date: 2009-02-20

Is this an extremely bad joke?

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:26 pm

Wakizashi wrote:

Is this an extremely bad joke?

No, he seriously has those political beliefs.

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**Wakizashi** · Experienced Pioneer Posts: 51 Join date: 2009-02-20

Then why isn't he in a Siberian gulag?

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:29 pm

Wakizashi wrote:

Then why isn't he in a Siberian gulag?

Because they don't exist anymore? And if they do they just exist for those oposing the Russian government.

Why isn't he in the siberian Gulag here, because here we discuss all political perspectives without censorship.

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:39 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Wakizashi wrote:

Then why isn't he in a Siberian gulag?

Because they don't exist anymore? And if they do they just exist for those oposing the Russian government.

Why isn't he in the siberian Gulag here, because here we discuss all political perspectives without censorship.

Which is a good thing Smile

yay!

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:26 am

how I envy this, but I am a leftard pussy Sad

I believe in a constitutional Socialist monarchy. (with a prime minister)

**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:55 am

Liche wrote:

how I envy this, but I am a leftard pussy Sad

I believe in a constitutional Socialist monarchy. (with a prime minister)

No offense, but I'm extremely confused.

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:19 am

hahaha

you should be.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:40 am

Shoobiedoobiedoo wrote:

No offense, but I'm extremely confused.

You shouldn't be, basically Liche doesn't fully grasp what socialism stands for and somehow thinks he can apply parlamentary monarchy to it...

Lich, don't be shy to be an opportunistic elitist!

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**Liche** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:13 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Lich, don't be shy to be an opportunistic elitist!

Ok, *bows to King Hutin of France*

I like absolute monarchy, it is very efficient.

Also efficient, is Confederacy, but not Anarchy or Libertarianism.

Liberalism and Socialism are also fairly well working.

**Black_Cross** · Subject: Re: Hutin's new political profile ! Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:32 pm

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I like absolute monarchy, it is very efficient.

Also efficient, is Confederacy, but not Anarchy or Libertarianism.

Liberalism and Socialism are also fairly well working.

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