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Parasky Young Pioneer

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 | Subject: Political Profile: Parasky Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:24 pm | |
| 1. What's your understanding of Democracy? While most people I know believe that democracy is a system in which the majority rules I generally disagree. I believe that democracy is not for giving the majority what it wants but for giving everybody a choice and making the system fair for everyone. 2 What's your understanding of Communism? Communism as I see it is an economic system in which the government owns all large-scale business and regulates smaller businesses in order to ensure economic equality for all people. I do not believe in the stereotypical view of Communism as a political system of oppression and totalitarianism like most other Americans. 3. What's your understanding of Capitalism? Being an American interested in history I have seen what true Capitalism is. An economic system in which privately owned business is allowed to flourish with no restrictions or interference from the government whatsoever. I've seen images and text that portray the filth and greed that this causes, and it's terrible. 4. What's your understanding of Fascism? Fascism is a political system in which a single group of people hold total power over a government and promote a culture of militarism, imperialism, and ultranationalism. Usually coupled with racism, although not always. 5. Make a list of the all human rights you consider essential If I were to do this we would be here all day. I simply agree with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and American Bill of Rights along with the Right of Consumption; the right for people to consume any substance, mind altering or otherwise, they wish as that is their choice. 6. What's your understanding of Freedom? Freedom is not a system in which governments give rights to people but one in which people have the ability to choose what they wish to do with their lives, body, and mind. 7. What's your understanding of Equality? Equality is not giving everyone the same amount of property or money but giving them all the same opportunity to pull themselves to whatever standard they wish. 8. What's your understanding of a prosperous society? A prosperous society is one in which there is little suffering amongst the people, there is peace between the nation and other nations, there is a wealth of culture and art, and freedom is held by all. 9. What's your stance towards the environment? The environment is one of the most important things we as humans must address. We have one planet, Earth, and we lack the technological ability to bring another world to a standard we require to survive. Global climate change, deforestation, the extinction of species; while we may not all agree on these things I think it is important that we as humans recognize our impact on the world and work to make sure it is a little as possible. 10. What's your understanding of Socialism? Socialism is the middle ground between Capitalism and Communism. It allows privately owned business and property, although there is also lots of regulations and state owned enterprises as well. It allows people the equal opportunity to succeed and through that success help others both directly and indirectly. _________________  |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:03 am | |
| | Parasky wrote: | 1. What's your understanding of Democracy?
While most people I know believe that democracy is a system in which the majority rules I generally disagree. I believe that democracy is not for giving the majority what it wants but for giving everybody a choice and making the system fair for everyone. |
The question here would be who or what determines what is fair?
| Parasky wrote: | 2 What's your understanding of Communism?
Communism as I see it is an economic system in which the government owns all large-scale business and regulates smaller businesses in order to ensure economic equality for all people. |
Wrong. That is welfare state capitalism. Communism is a system in which the workers directly own and control the economy. They decide what, how and how much is to be produced and how it should be distributed.
| Parasky wrote: | I do not believe in the stereotypical view of Communism as a political system of oppression and totalitarianism like most other Americans. |
This is good. Still you don't have a proper understanding of what communism is.
| Parasky wrote: | 3. What's your understanding of Capitalism?
Being an American interested in history I have seen what true Capitalism is. An economic system in which privately owned business is allowed to flourish with no restrictions or interference from the government whatsoever. I've seen images and text that portray the filth and greed that this causes, and it's terrible. |
Seems a good understanding of capitalism, yet you miss fo example some essential parts of it which imply exploitation, State enforcement of "property rights" and the characteristics and iplications of class division.
| Parasky wrote: | 4. What's your understanding of Fascism?
Fascism is a political system in which a single group of people hold total power over a government and promote a culture of militarism, imperialism, and ultranationalism. Usually coupled with racism, although not always. |
Fascism is in essence a militarized state that can be or not at the service of the rulinng class. Whenn not in service of them, eventually they tend to collapse.
| Parasky wrote: | 5. Make a list of the all human rights you consider essential
If I were to do this we would be here all day. I simply agree with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and American Bill of Rights along with the Right of Consumption; the right for people to consume any substance, mind altering or otherwise, they wish as that is their choice. |
Why do you agree with the Universal Declaration of Human rights?
| Parasky wrote: | 6. What's your understanding of Freedom?
Freedom is not a system in which governments give rights to people but one in which people have the ability to choose what they wish to do with their lives, body, and mind. |
As far as I know freedom is not a system but a condition. Personally I'd say that freedom boils down to not engaging in coercion nor deception.
| Parasky wrote: | 8. What's your understanding of a prosperous society?
A prosperous society is one in which there is little suffering amongst the people, there is peace between the nation and other nations, there is a wealth of culture and art, and freedom is held by all. |
"Little suffering" understood as?
| Parasky wrote: | 9. What's your stance towards the environment?
The environment is one of the most important things we as humans must address. We have one planet, Earth, and we lack the technological ability to bring another world to a standard we require to survive. Global climate change, deforestation, the extinction of species; while we may not all agree on these things I think it is important that we as humans recognize our impact on the world and work to make sure it is a little as possible. |
Ok.
| Parasky wrote: | 10. What's your understanding of Socialism?
Socialism is the middle ground between Capitalism and Communism. It allows privately owned business and property, although there is also lots of regulations and state owned enterprises as well. It allows people the equal opportunity to succeed and through that success help others both directly and indirectly. |
And to avoid repeating and repeating I'll just link to one of the many debates held about this here. Please read. |
|  | | Liche Chairman of the Supreme Council

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:45 am | |
| It just occoured to me as nothing in these is wrong, since it says "what are views of (blank)" Unless your a radicalist douchebag (cough cough) Zealot (cough cough) who oppresses their beliefs on others. (not saying you do that, just insulting your radicaliness) (radicalism is bad) |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:51 am | |
| This is suposed to be to clarify what your understandings are. They can be wrong and that's what this thread is for. I'm not trying to impose my views, I'm simply speaking with the truth, that's all. There are some things that are entirely subjective and others that are objecive. Communism, democracy and other terms are not subjective they have an objective definition. Whether they're good or bad, that is subjective and it's a whole different debate. And even subjective things can be wrong when based on false premises. Radicalism stands for going back to the roots of phenomena to achieve their understanding. If you think doing that is bad and you oppose what is bad, then you should be a staunch enemy of science and logic. |
|  | | Liche Chairman of the Supreme Council

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:54 am | |
| What you, and the majority of the site thinks is wrong or right. In America communism is bad, and the people that say that are just telling the truth do you know how many Ignorant capitalists have said that to me? or how many Christians have told me Christ is real, theirs no argument, its just true. all of these people show their own proof, as you do, and have numerous supporters. but dose that make them right?. what makes you any different? infact, most of these people would be considered more credible. |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:05 am | |
| | Liche wrote: | | What you, and the majority of the site thinks is wrong or right. |
Eh?
| Liche wrote: | In America communism is bad, and the people that say that are just telling the truth do you know how many Ignorant capitalists have said that to me? |
Try to better construct your phrases Liche, you make them hard to understand.
Communism can't be bad in america because it's not established there so its implications can't be assesed.
Most Americans can't have the opinion that communism is bad because they don't know what communism is. If tehy don't know what something is they can't tell if it's goiod or bad.
So, they're telling the truth about what they think but they're not telling the trud about the object in question. Just emiting a baseless opinion based on what media has filled their heads with, which is a complete misconception of what communism is. Plain and simple.
| Liche wrote: | or how many Christians have told me Christ is real, theirs no argument, its just true. |
They got to show yo some evidence if tehy state Christ is real. If they're so sure they must have some evidence.
| Liche wrote: | all of these people show their own proof, as you do, and have numerous supporters. but dose that make them right?. |
Oh really? So someone has shown you evidence that Christ is somewhere up there? That's worth a lot Liche, share it with the world please.
Proof that "communism is bad". That's imposisble: 1) Communism is not established so they can't assess and much less bring evidence of the implications of communism. 2) "Bad" is a subjective term meaning that for some it would be "bad" but for others it would be unavoidably "good" since the definition for "bad" and "good" depends on each individual.
| Liche wrote: | what makes you any different? |
That I support my claims with arguements and evidence while tracing back the origins of the object of debate?
| Liche wrote: | infact, most of these people would be considered more credible. |
I can't fathom how this could happen in a rational framework. |
|  | | MightyObserver World Republic Party Member

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:43 am | |
| | Liche wrote: | What you, and the majority of the site thinks is wrong or right. In America communism is bad, and the people that say that are just telling the truth do you know how many Ignorant capitalists have said that to me? or how many Christians have told me Christ is real, theirs no argument, its just true. all of these people show their own proof, as you do, and have numerous supporters. but dose that make them right?.
what makes you any different? infact, most of these people would be considered more credible. |
Counting only what I've actually read you say, this may be, intellectually, your lowest point, Liche. No offense, just... wow.
I'd still like to forget that cow milk arguement/debate/thing._________________ "I'm just saying, if we want the world to improve, evil plots, villains, henchmen may be our only hope." - Dr. Horrible, Moist: Humidity RisingLINK |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:16 am | |
| | MightyObserver wrote: |
I'd still like to forget that cow milk arguement/debate/thing. |
I remember it. It was lovely. |
|  | | Parasky Young Pioneer

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 | |  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:22 pm | |
| | Parasky wrote: |
I disagree. Interpretations of things change between years and amongst different people. For instance, freedom now is seen as a standard American ideology; freedom of religion, speech, etc. They're all grouped into one. However freedom just three hundred years ago might have been simply not killing members of religious groups not part of the state religion. |
I'm not talking about interpretations but about definitions. Socialism, for example, is a term created to refer to something of which validity has been actualy confirmed. Calling "socialism" anything else is as wrong as pointing at a chair and saying "that's the Sun" or grabing a sandwich and saying "I'm now holding a pencil".
"Freedom" may be seen as the capability to elect who's going to rip you off, yet, it doesn't mean it's a proper understanding of freedom. The term was created to refer to something and so it should stay regardless of how many want to distort it in whatever way they wish.
Let's talk about freedom... who or what has liegitimately got the right to delimit what you may or may not do, who or what has legitimately got the right to grant rights to others? An institution? A handful individuals within a certain community or the whole of the community directly? That supposing you're to live within a community which most probably you will.
As the social beings we are we require to live in communities, groups of individuals of our own species with whom we have to interact and we have to determine norms of interaction in order to make this community workable. These norms are what may delimit each individual's freedoms ideally in regards to others, that is, they're to regulate interaction. The question now is what are the mechanisms through which we apply these norms? How do they work? Are all individuals within the community affected by these norms determining these norms? Are tehy determined by an institution? By a handful of individuals?
Freedom, I say, is to do anything you want without having anyone else determine what you may or may not do and without you determining what anyone else may or may not do nonetheless engaging in consensual relationships and consensual interaction that is, relationships in which all the parties involved are aware of the full array of implications that relationship has, the conditions that brought to that relationship and in which all the parties set the terms of said relationship. Interaction without coercion of any kind from any part. That is freedom.
As you see this goes far beyond being able to say "fuck you" to your president or to "gender equality" (a concept which I hate because I won't acknowledge in the first place that women are or were legitimately below).
If you have an arguement against this, I'm sure willingful to know it.
| Parasky wrote: |
Oh, sorry. I live in such a system and as such those things are pretty much the norm to me. I know well the reality of exploitation, property laws, and class division. |
We all live in such a system, yet, it is important to asess these characteristics for they're the foundations of capitalism and overall exploitative systems. |
|  | | Parasky Young Pioneer

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:20 am | |
| The question with freedom isn't who has the right to take my freedom away but who has the power to do so. Telling me I cannot drink alcoholic beverages until I am 21 years of age does not stop me from doing so. I don't recognize the government's right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body, so if they wish to enforce their laws on me then they must physically do so. _________________  |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:38 am | |
| | Parasky wrote: | | The question with freedom isn't who has the right to take my freedom away but who has the power to do so. Telling me I cannot drink alcoholic beverages until I am 21 years of age does not stop me from doing so. I don't recognize the government's right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body, so if they wish to enforce their laws on me then they must physically do so. |
I was just adressing the acknowledgement of the right to coerce of which acknowledgement gives power. If the state has power to enforce something is because someone is acknowledging, for whatever reason, that entity's right to coerce. |
|  | | Parasky Young Pioneer

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:18 am | |
| As you can kind of see I am more of a philosopher than a political activist. More of a Marx than a Lenin, in better terms. Though Marx wasn't really a philosopher... Anyways I think I catch your drift. It took me a minute to go from philosophy mode to politics mode, but I got there. _________________  |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:33 am | |
| | Parasky wrote: | | As you can kind of see I am more of a philosopher than a political activist. More of a Marx than a Lenin, in better terms. Though Marx wasn't really a philosopher... |
Well depends on what you call "philosopher".
| Prasky wrote: | Anyways I think I catch your drift. It took me a minute to go from philosophy mode to politics mode, but I got there. |
Good. I expect mutually enriching interactions in the future. |
|  | | Diogritor Experienced Party Member

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:56 am | |
| Zealot, The world does not work on definitions. It works on belief. Communism as a definition is just dandy. But guess what? Even the best planned and purposeful "communist" revolts have turned into nothing but an oppressive state-capitalist industrial powerhouse that eventually collapses under the weight of its own government. The largest enemy to the world revolution Lenin so wished for was ironically his own damn party. I respectfully ask you to no longer post in these threads in an attempt to tear down opinions. Post to teach them of their wrong ways but do not see them as wrong and know nothing. I am from America and almost every word you type has been wrong according to what I have been taught since I was first able to understand the world around me enough to think about such things. It will take much more then arrogance to tear down 18 years of belief, however wrong it may be. _________________  |
|  | | MightyObserver World Republic Party Member

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:00 am | |
| | Diogritor wrote: | | I am from America and almost every word you type has been wrong according to what I have been taught since I was first able to understand the world around me enough to think about such things. It will take much more then arrogance to tear down 18 years of belief, however wrong it may be. |
It only takes Zealot to tear down 15 years of belief. Hmmmm.... 'tear down' doesn't sound right at all._________________ "I'm just saying, if we want the world to improve, evil plots, villains, henchmen may be our only hope." - Dr. Horrible, Moist: Humidity RisingLINK |
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 | |  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:33 am | |
| | Diogritor wrote: | | Zealot, The world does not work on definitions. It works on belief. |
If you talk about "world" as "humanity" then your statement is right just within irrational populations.
I'm against irrationality so expect me to try dismantling it.
| Diogritor wrote: | Communism as a definition is just dandy. |
"Communism" has a definition. Just like "woman", "chair", "pen" or "door". These definitions are important. Respecting the meaning of words is essential for proper communication and to be able to transmit truthful perceptions.
If you want to call "commnunism" a bunch of rats with rabies biting each other you can but it's not communism, it's just you misusing that word. If a human deressed with a skirt, earings and make up is enough for you to call that human a woman, good luck not having contact with transvestites, for that's what they're, not women.
| Diorgitor wrote: | But guess what? Even the best planned and purposeful "communist" revolts have turned into nothing but an oppressive state-capitalist industrial powerhouse that eventually collapses under the weight of its own government. The largest enemy to the world revolution Lenin so wished for was ironically his own damn party. |
The paris commune, the Spanish Anarchist communes and the Ukrainian free territory didn't end up that way.
The Great October's Revolution was a bourgeoise revolution, not a socialist one no matter how much Lenin wanted to call it socialist. Just like Castro isn't communist or Chavez is not socialist.
| Diogritor wrote: | I respectfully ask you to no longer post in these threads in an attempt to tear down opinions. |
Some things can be opinion others can't be opinion and some opinons can be wrong when based on false premises. As simple as that.
| Diogritor wrote: | Post to teach them of their wrong ways but do not see them as wrong and know nothing. |
That's exactly what I do, evidently you're just jumping to conclusions without reading what I write. Ehm... one step towards learning is acknowledging ignorance about what one wants to learn.
| Diogrator wrote: | I am from America and almost every word you type has been wrong according to what I have been taught since I was first able to understand the world around me enough to think about such things. |
I think you should really rephrase this. "almost every words has been wrong".... for real? This quite an exageration that borders in nonsense...
Maybe if you had said "arguments" or "statements" or "posts" intead of words....
Now if that's what you meant. You'll have to back this up by contrasting what you've been taught about the topic I adress with what you've been taught.
Either way, if we're to focus on Communism, then, american educational systems fail horribly at this topic. I'd argue that they fail intentionally.
It takes more than just claiming to be something or claiming that something is a certain way to assure it is. In regards to "communism" and "socialism", these are words. Words created to refer to an idea. Words with an origin. To back up my arguements I go back to this origin and trace the whole evolution of those words an asess their usage. In Liche's thread I did it so there's no need to repeat it here.
That's how you make an arguement valid. Not by "just saying it is" and repeating it out loud. Things don't work like with that head-on commercial.
| Diogritor wrote: | It will take much more then arrogance to tear down 18 years of belief, however wrong it may be. |
Arrogance: offensive self-assertion; demonstration of too high an opinion on one's abilities and/or importance....
How the hell do I do that when I present arguements to back up my points? |
|  | | Diogritor Experienced Party Member

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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:29 am | |
| | Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: |
If you talk about "world" as "humanity" then your statement is right just within irrational populations.
I'm against irrationality so expect me to try dismantling it.
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Irrational, mabye, however irrationality is how the world is run. Besides, irrationality is subjective. Do you think the Muslims thought the crusades were rational even though in the minds of the crusaders they were doing the work of god?
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | "Communism" has a definition. Just like "woman", "chair", "pen" or "door". These definitions are important. Respecting the meaning of words is essential for proper communication and to be able to transmit truthful perceptions.
If you want to call "communism" a bunch of rats with rabies biting each other you can but it's not communism, it's just you misusing that word. If a human dressed with a skirt, earings and make up is enough for you to call that human a woman, good luck not having contact with transvestites, for that's what they're, not women.
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If words had strict, unchangeing definitions then there would be no language at all. Evolution of words is why we are not all speaking Latin or something. The point I am trying to make is that even though Communism by the book is great it still is subject to interpretation which is where disagreement comes from. If there was only one Communism do you thing there wouldn't be like.. 50 different types. The same goes for Democracy since no nation since ancient greece has been a true Democracy.. most "democratic" nations are Representative Republics ran by 100 guys who are disconnected from society.
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | The paris commune, the Spanish Anarchist communes and the Ukrainian free territory didn't end up that way.
The Great October's Revolution was a bourgeoise revolution, not a socialist one no matter how much Lenin wanted to call it socialist. Just like Castro isn't communist or Chavez is not socialist.
| True.. But didn't those end.. badly in the end anyway? I wasn't talking about the October revolution but the primary dream Lenin had of every nation following the call to throw off the shackles of "oppression." Even if they were not Communist they still carried the banner of the Communist cause much like America, not a Democracy, wants to spread "Democracy."
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | Some things can be opinion others can't be opinion and some opinions can be wrong when based on false premises. As simple as that.
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Opinions are based off of what has been taught. In America we are taught that we bested the "Evil Red Monster" thanks to the skill of Ronald Reagan under his banner of morality and capitalist superiority((Slight exaggeration)) so you must understand that for all we know, The Soviet Union was where Dracula, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and all the other evil dudes and ideas spawned from.
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | That's exactly what I do, evidently you're just jumping to conclusions without reading what I write. Ehm... one step towards learning is acknowledging ignorance about what one wants to learn.
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Ney, You are posting in a thread that is meant for the OP to tell us where he stands. This SHOULD be an opinion style thread. If someone honestly believes that "communism" is evil and Ronald Reagan is the god king of the universe this is not the place to argue with them.. wait till they make a thread about their beliefs to try and teach them.
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | I think you should really rephrase this. "almost every words has been wrong".... for real? This quite an exaggeration that borders in nonsense...
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I shall not. I AM exaggerating quite a bit but it is to prove a point that everything you stand for is an about face to the propaganda we receive in America daily. Call it propaganda, because it is, but the fact remains that here we are bred to be good nationalist, right wing, super conservative, commie-hating Americans and in that respect all that you know is opposite of all that we know. It is not my personal opinion, however if you ever have a 10 min conversation about socialism or communism with an average American you may just lose faith in humanity but it isn't their fault.. its what we know and all we know.
| Zealot_Kommunizma wrote: | Arrogance: offensive self-assertion; demonstration of too high an opinion on one's abilities and/or importance....
How the hell do I do that when I present arguements to back up my points? |
I wont lie.. you do come off a bit strong and assertive about your "knowledge"_________________  |
|  | | Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
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 | Subject: Re: Political Profile: Parasky Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:12 pm | |
| | Diogritor wrote: | Irrational, mabye, however irrationality is how the world is run. |
Yeah, fuck science and logic! Ignorance, fuck yeah!
Actually, not. Fortunately most people aren't intellectually limited enough not to be able to be struck by reason.
| Diogritor wrote: | Besides, irrationality is subjective. |
Oh really? Just for the sake of it, mind bringing an arguement to support that?
| Diogritor wrote: | | Do you think the Muslims thought the crusades were rational even though in the minds of the crusaders they were doing the work of god? |
Huh? Dark Ages ring a bell? They weren't called dark because there were no lightbulbs I must say. It's been what... 1,000 since that? It's about time we made some progress and hell we did.
| Diogritor wrote: | If words had strict, unchangeing definitions then there would be no language at all. |
Absolutely wrong. Language is not product of definitions' change, it's product of applying words to objects or more complex abstractions.
| Diogritor wrote: | Evolution of words is why we are not all speaking Latin or something. |
And this is relevant to the point because...? Also Latin is still spoken and knowledge of latin ethymology is basic (or at least extremely useful) to understand hundreds of words in more than 10 languages.
| Diogritor wrote: | The point I am trying to make is that even though Communism by the book is great it still is subject to interpretation which is where disagreement comes from. |
Communism = ABC ABD =/= Communism AB_C=/= Communism ABB=/=Communism
As simple as that. Just like "woman" means something, "meat" means something, "penis" means something, "Communism" also means something.
What you call "communism by the book" is communism. Other thing is not communism. As simple as that.
| Diogritor wrote: | If there was only one Communism do you thing there wouldn't be like.. 50 different types. |
Actually there's just 1 kind of communism, that is, communism. All the other doctrines called "communism" are not communism no matter how intesively they are refered to as communism. You won't consider a man a woman just because he's calling himself a woman, dressing like a woman and "acting" like a woman will you? You won't consider that a dog is a cat just because he has a paper pasted on its back saying "Cat" unless of course you never knew what "woman" or "dog" stand for. Yet you know that a dog is different from a cat and a woman from a man no matter how you call them. That's why we need words and consensus, to avoid confusion.
In the case of communism, I'm telling to people what communism really is and what so called communisms really are.
| Diogritor wrote: | The same goes for Democracy since no nation since ancient greece has been a true Democracy.. most "democratic" nations are Representative Republics ran by 100 guys who are disconnected from society. |
A lot of men wear dresses, make up, earrings, long died hair, inject themselves estrogen and glue their penises to their perineums and call themselves "women"... does that make them women? No.
Same happens with democracy. Democracy has an ethymologic meaning. "Power of the people". If what holds the power is an oligocratic institution or a little portion of the population, how can that apply? In no way. Therefore, whatever system in which an oligarchy rules or a plutocracy or both (which actually tend to go hand in hand) is not a democracy no matter how much their apologists want to call it "democracy". Like the men calling themselves women.
| Diogritor wrote: | True.. But didn't those end.. badly in the end anyway? |
Not becaue of intrinsic factors but because of extrinsic ones. They succeeded economically and politically, they were just overwhealmed militarily in two of these cases by foreign states, actually, some of the most powerful states on this world.
| Diogritor wrote: | I wasn't talking about the October revolution but the primary dream Lenin had of every nation following the call to throw off the shackles of "oppression." |
And what was the process by which Lenin attempted to reach this dream? I'm wondering it was the revolution and its fruits.
| Diogritor wrote: | Even if they were not Communist they still carried the banner of the Communist cause much like America, not a Democracy, wants to spread "Democracy." |
They carried the banner of communism because of Lenin's completely flawed theory of vanguardism and because that distorted notion of socialism and communism was populisticly appealing and psychologically intimidating to bourgeoisie. USA carries the flag of democracy because democracy is appealing, sounds nice. It's a bait, a way to lure. Nothing more. Some men wear dresses and try to look as female as possible, hell they even get Sex reassignment surgeries just to lure other men into having sex with them, and hell it works.
| Diogritor wrote: | Opinions are based off of what has been taught. In America we are taught that we bested the "Evil Red Monster" thanks to the skill of Ronald Reagan under his banner of morality and capitalist superiority((Slight exaggeration)) so you must understand that for all we know, The Soviet Union was where Dracula, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and all the other evil dudes and ideas spawned from. |
I understand that. I also understand that kids tend to believe the tooth fairy and Santa Claus are real until they discover they are not.
Yet that doesn't make those opinions valid once confronted with truth.
| Diogritor wrote: | Ney, You are posting in a thread that is meant for the OP to tell us where he stands. This SHOULD be an opinion style thread. |
I came up with this idea to see wat undestandings people had about some basic concepts and whether people knew or not what they are talking about so these understandings could be asessed and discussed per individual. This is what these threads are for. If people don't want to discuss their ideas they're welcome not to post here.
| Diogritor wrote: | If someone honestly believes that "communism" is evil and Ronald Reagan is the god king of the universe this is not the place to argue with them.. |
Why not?
| Diogritor wrote: | wait till they make a thread about their beliefs to try and teach them. |
Oh, this pretty much seems like a thread about their beliefs or at least about some of the basis of said beliefs.
| Diogritor wrote: | I shall not. I AM exaggerating quite a bit but it is to prove a point that everything you stand for is an about face to the propaganda we receive in America daily. |
Way too exagerated.
| Diogritor wrote: | Call it propaganda, because it is, but the fact remains that here we are bred to be good nationalist, right wing, super conservative, commie-hating Americans and in that respect all that you know is opposite of all that we know. |
Is oposite to all the lies you've been taught, that's all. And that's what I point out based on arguements.
| Diogritor wrote: | It is not my personal opinion, however if you ever have a 10 min conversation about socialism or communism with an average American you may just lose faith in humanity but it isn't their fault.. its what we know and all we know. |
Yeah, material conditions prevail so? I'm not saying Americans are stupid am I? I'm not saying Americans are specially ignorant am I? I'm simply saying that all you've been taught about communism is a pile of bullshit and why.
| Dirogitor wrote: | I wont lie.. you do come off a bit strong and assertive about your "knowledge" |
Because it's knowledge, not "knowledge". I won't speak up without knowing the truth about something: I'll ask, research and such. But if I know the truth about something and I hear any bullshit about it, I'll crush it as ruthlessly as I can for I hate ignorance, hypocrisiy and lies. And I'm always eager to be proven wrong if it can happen, and it can just happen if I'm not on the side of truth something I do my best to avoid.
This means there is no "high opinion of my own importance" or "offensive self-assertion". Just a staunch defense of truth. |
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