General Understanding of "Well being"

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 am

mattabesta wrote:

I don't know.

Ok, some honest answer... Think about what you think is good for people, about what is the proper way to live, the way to achieve happiness, etc. You'll modify this concept as you grow but I'd like to know your concept as it is now.

mattabesta wrote:

but I want to live till I'll be 95 (same as my gr8 grandfather)
work till I'll be 65 and get rich. Cool

A more or less good start...

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:36 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

I don't know.

Ok, some honest answer... Think about what you think is good for people, about what is the proper way to live, the way to achieve happiness, etc. You'll modify this concept as you grow but I'd like to know your concept as it is now.

mattabesta wrote:

but I want to live till I'll be 95 (same as my gr8 grandfather)
work till I'll be 65 and get rich. Cool

A more or less good start...

lol thank you.
I'm 13 not really thinking about life.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:27 am

mattabesta wrote:

lol thank you.
I'm 13 not really thinking about life.

That's as patent as the blueness of the sky.

However to argue about politics you should actually be thinking about life and what wellbeing stands for.

**Cyprian Uljanow** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:22 am

Well being in my little red cook book stands for:

-A Man can wake up in the morning, without fear ( from the Police for example)
-A man goes to work with a smile on his face, becous he is doing what he likes
-A man spends time with his family friends, and hangs out, has a good time
-A man has no need to fear another man
-A man knows that he is as valuable as any other citizen of the state
-A man never is hungry
-A man has a place to sleep
-A man don't have to fear for his health, becous he knows the state provides it.
-A man don't have to fear for losing his job
-A man wakes up every morning with a smile, knowing he will once again go to a job he loves doing, and at the same time builds a better future for the benefit of the state, and the benefit of his children.

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:42 pm

Wellbeing is of course 100% subjective so to some people capitalism produces well-being while to others, like me, communism is better. So if there is no objective definition of wellbeing how can you objectively know which system is better? The simple answer is you can't.

What you CAN objectively know is what system WILL happen, which, as Marx proved, is communism. This is why Marxism is called scientific socialism.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:01 pm

Pannekoek wrote:

Wellbeing is of course 100% subjective so to some people capitalism produces well-being while to others, like me, communism is better. So if there is no objective definition of wellbeing how can you objectively know which system is better? The simple answer is you can't.

What you CAN objectively know is what system WILL happen, which, as Marx proved, is communism. This is why Marxism is called scientific socialism.

LOLZ I am going to pwn you so much Twisted Evil

so marx has scientificly proven communism is best, eh?
I heard it somewere you have to test it first and according to all my data all communistic leaders have decided to ruel with an iron fist instead creating communism.

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:30 pm

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so marx has scientificly proven communism is best, eh?

No he hasn't. If you READ my post you would have known that Marx proved that communism is inevitable, not that it is the best.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:43 pm

Pannekoek wrote:

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so marx has scientificly proven communism is best, eh?

No he hasn't. If you READ my post you would have known that Marx proved that communism is inevitable, not that it is the best.

how did he prove it without a test Suspect

?

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:34 pm

Are you retarded? You don't prove something is going to happen by testing it? Scientists know that our galaxy will eventually collide with Andromeda. Do you think they tested that? Hell no. They just know because they understand the laws of motion and they understand which way both of the galaxies are headed.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:40 pm

Pannekoek wrote:

Are you retarded? You don't prove something is going to happen by testing it? Scientists know that our galaxy will eventually collide with Andromeda. Do you think they tested that? Hell no. They just know because they understand the laws of motion and they understand which way both of the galaxies are headed.

no you make a computer work out the simpel eqation of adromedas speed wersus ours an then distance and you get coliding point.

last time I cecked computers don't lie and they can be accepted as proof.

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:57 pm

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no you make a computer work out the simpel eqation of adromedas speed wersus ours an then distance and you get coliding point.

Yeah, okay, whatever. The point is they don't test it, they just need a computer to do some calculations.

**mononokifool** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:01 am

mattabesta wrote:

Pannekoek wrote:

Are you retarded? You don't prove something is going to happen by testing it? Scientists know that our galaxy will eventually collide with Andromeda. Do you think they tested that? Hell no. They just know because they understand the laws of motion and they understand which way both of the galaxies are headed.

no you make a computer work out the simpel eqation of adromedas speed wersus ours an then distance and you get coliding point.

last time I cecked computers don't lie and they can be accepted as proof.

have you ever been on the internet? computers lie all the time

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**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:02 am

Pannekoek wrote:

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no you make a computer work out the simpel eqation of adromedas speed wersus ours an then distance and you get coliding point.

Yeah, okay, whatever. The point is they don't test it, they just need a computer to do some calculations.

and they use the calculations as PROOF

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:12 am

I FUCKING KNOW THAT. Marx proved it too. He just didn't need to test. You asked how he proved it without a test. Now you admit that there can be a proof without a test.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:18 am

Pannekoek wrote:

I FUCKING KNOW THAT. Marx proved it too. He just didn't need to test. You asked how he proved it without a test. Now you admit that there can be a proof without a test.

well you see he could draw the ASSUMPRION like it is esstemated that the universes is 13,7 billion year old becuse there is proof he is at least that old but no proof of him being older thus the assumption is taken that he is about 13,7 but I can not generally disprove that it is 20 billion years old.

like marx he just thinks so even if he eplains it there are oten hidden facors only reveled by a test.

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:29 pm

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well you see he could draw the ASSUMPRION like it is esstemated that the universes is 13,7 billion year old becuse there is proof he is at least that old but no proof of him being older thus the assumption is taken that he is about 13,7 but I can not generally disprove that it is 20 billion years old.

like marx he just thinks so even if he eplains it there are oten hidden facors only reveled by a test.

Could you please type normally? Half the time no one knows what you're talking about.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:40 pm

Pannekoek wrote:

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well you see he could draw the ASSUMPRION like it is esstemated that the universes is 13,7 billion year old becuse there is proof he is at least that old but no proof of him being older thus the assumption is taken that he is about 13,7 but I can not generally disprove that it is 20 billion years old.

like marx he just thinks so even if he eplains it there are oten hidden facors only reveled by a test.

Could you please type normally? Half the time no one knows what you're talking about.

WOW where do you live I need to talk to your brain, is he there?

Watermelon · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:46 pm

That makes no sense and has nothing to do with this conversation. Stay on topic please.

**mattabesta** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:56 pm

Pannekoek wrote:

That makes no sense and has nothing to do with this conversation. Stay on topic please.

topics change.

**Diogritor** · Subject: Re: General Understanding of "Well being" Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:12 pm

Cyprian Uljanow wrote:

Well being in my little red cook book stands for:

-A Man can wake up in the morning, without fear ( from the Police for example)
-A man goes to work with a smile on his face, becous he is doing what he likes
-A man spends time with his family friends, and hangs out, has a good time
-A man has no need to fear another man
-A man knows that he is as valuable as any other citizen of the state
-A man never is hungry
-A man has a place to sleep
-A man don't have to fear for his health, becous he knows the state provides it.
-A man don't have to fear for losing his job
-A man wakes up every morning with a smile, knowing he will once again go to a job he loves doing, and at the same time builds a better future for the benefit of the state, and the benefit of his children.

Allow me to continue the story:

- A man passes by someone spewing "Capitalist Propoganda" on the street on his way to work, His smile is gone.
-Someoone else sees his frown, Their smile is gone
-10 people see and lose their smile
- 100 people start frowning
- 1000 people start frowning
- 10,000 people are now frowning and for some reason get angry
- REVELUCTION COMRADES
- Capitalist in power... everyone is frowning but at least they are all frowning together.. Capitalism brings people together!