World Republic Uniting All People!   Home  FAQ  Search  Register  Log in   World Republic :: Parliament :: Politics  Labor theory of value     Goto page :   1, 2 Author Message Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sat May 10, 2008 2:22 am What the helll this is so retarded. Its like gravity. Intelligent design is false even if we do nothing to "stop it" and will not become true if we do nothing. Neoliberal economics says that free market capitalism creates the most value and is eternally sustainable. Marxian economics says this is wrong. Since you said you know the laws then you will already know why. _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sat May 10, 2008 2:30 am Watermelon wrote: Neoliberal economics is false. you are so stupid I just can't undersatnd how you can visit a political forum if you don´t know economics!!! that wich you saw is very traditional 10000 year old economics.   inkus2000 New Party Member Joined : 31 Mar 2008 Posts : 551 Location : I woke up this morning and I dont know where I am. Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri May 16, 2008 2:04 am Watermelon wrote: What the helll this is so retarded. Its like gravity. Intelligent design is false even if we do nothing to "stop it" and will not become true if we do nothing. Neoliberal economics says that free market capitalism creates the most value and is eternally sustainable. Marxian economics says this is wrong. Since you said you know the laws then you will already know why. Im starting a new thread to entirely debunk neo-classical economics. Brace yourself !   Kenzu World Republic Party Member Age : 21 Joined : 17 Aug 2007 Posts : 687 Location : China - Shanghai Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri May 16, 2008 5:29 pm Watermelon wrote: lolurdumb It is a theory. LIke evolution or gravity. Their truth is not dependent on anyone's actions. Neoliberal economics is false no matter what. 3 days ban for mattabesta for insulting Jeiro Sijakeuigwan mattabesta wrote: Watermelon wrote: Neoliberal economics is false. you are so stupid I just can't undersatnd how you can visit a political forum if you don´t know economics!!! that wich you saw is very traditional 10000 year old economics. 3 days ban for mattabesta for insulting Watermelon   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sat May 24, 2008 6:29 pm sorry I just don't understand how difficult it can be for somone to understand supply and demand...   Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sat May 24, 2008 11:57 pm supply and demand is a bourgeois lie. Labor theory of value is the truth. All value stems from labor. Capital creates no value at all. But copmetitino tends to make the capitalists invest more in capital than in labor, like in machines. This makes the rate of profit fall. This makes the rate of exploitation increase. This makes socialist revolution that simple. Or you can stick to bullshit marginal utility economics. _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sun May 25, 2008 12:18 am Watermelon wrote: supply and demand is a bourgeois lie. Labor theory of value is the truth. All value stems from labor. Capital creates no value at all. But copmetitino tends to make the capitalists invest more in capital than in labor, like in machines. This makes the rate of profit fall. This makes the rate of exploitation increase. This makes socialist revolution that simple. Or you can stick to bullshit marginal utility economics. value creates no value at all- wtf? machines increas profits wich increases spending wich increases jobs wich increases population wich increases gov funding wich increases standards of life. now why, why do machenes increas profit? becuse they are more productive and you don't need to PAY them wich in turn DEcreases expentiur and INcreases production. a machine that isn't cheaper or atleast more productive than the one that prceeded it will not be used by companies becuse they won't pay off and as we all know and you keep saying is that the only thing they want is money. I AGGRE try to get it now the thory of value is just anothere way to explain supply.   Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Sun May 25, 2008 1:15 am value creates no value. marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything. machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false. _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   GeneCosta Young Pioneer Joined : 23 May 2008 Posts : 16 Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Tue May 27, 2008 1:37 am I think some users are confusing value with "price."   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Tue May 27, 2008 10:00 am Watermelon wrote: value creates no value. marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything. machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false. cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless" dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands. of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools.   inkus2000 New Party Member Joined : 31 Mar 2008 Posts : 551 Location : I woke up this morning and I dont know where I am. Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:46 pm mattabesta wrote: Watermelon wrote: value creates no value. marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything. machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false. cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless" dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands. of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools. Its simple Capitalists are driven by competition to drive wages and expences down - they avail of machines to save money - this leads to the devaulation of produce   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:06 pm inkus2000 wrote: mattabesta wrote: Watermelon wrote: value creates no value. marginal utility economics says that higher supply INCREASES prices. marxian economics says more labor means more value. also marxian economics says that demand does not do anything. machines do not create alue because they are not labor. you are justifying that machins create value by using marginal utility economics which is false. cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless" dude nearly evrything in our life is made by machines, FX the letter "u" I just typed was made by a machine that dose it a lot faster and better that soeone would do by hands. of just a test go to a car factory, now get a team and try to make a car without any tools. Its simple Capitalists are driven by competition to drive wages and expences down - they avail of machines to save money - this leads to the devaulation of produce if nobody buyes it then they go broke then the custemers go to antoere, better producer who isn´t as stupid and gives them better qualaty.   Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:12 pm Quote: cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless" False. THe machines were created by labor so they have value and they pass on their value to the commodities they produce. wud up GC i saw you on revleft _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:35 am Watermelon wrote: Quote: cars are created by machenes so cars are therefor "valuless" False. THe machines were created by labor so they have value and they pass on their value to the commodities they produce. wud up GC i saw you on revleft wtf?? your just going in circels, this isn't a theory, this is just some gibbirish you just freking stated that I'm right. if evrything is made by labour, as a source then obviusly capitalism can't fail according to your tested theory.   Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:44 am NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value. _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:03 pm Watermelon wrote: NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value. wich one : Value may refer to: Value (mathematics), the value of a variable in mathematics. Value (philosophy), the degree of importance, including the value independent on subjective valuations by any individual Value (personal and cultural), the principles, standards, or quality which guides human actions Value (economics), the market worth or estimated worth of commodities, services, assets, or work. Value investing, investing in securities whose shares appear underpriced Value theory, in ethics, aesthetics and other evaluative matters Value (marketing), provide service for consumer satisfaction Value (computer science) Value (law) Value (semiotics) Value (colorimetry), a measure of white or black in color   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:03 pm Watermelon wrote: NO. machines dont create NEW value. the cars have the same value as it took to make the machines. the machines just pass on the same value, they dont make NEW value. wich one : Value may refer to: Value (mathematics), the value of a variable in mathematics. Value (philosophy), the degree of importance, including the value independent on subjective valuations by any individual Value (personal and cultural), the principles, standards, or quality which guides human actions Value (economics), the market worth or estimated worth of commodities, services, assets, or work. Value investing, investing in securities whose shares appear underpriced Value theory, in ethics, aesthetics and other evaluative matters Value (marketing), provide service for consumer satisfaction Value (computer science) Value (law) Value (semiotics) Value (colorimetry), a measure of white or black in color   Watermelon Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 05 Apr 2008 Posts : 2655 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:40 am 1 you double posted 2 obviously the economical one _________________ "The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization" Mikhail Gorbachev, June 8, 1990 accept green or die!!! my name is evyindur H haarde   mattabesta Member of the Supreme Council Age : 997 Joined : 23 Dec 2007 Posts : 2693 Location : Iceland Subject: Re: Labor theory of value   Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:28 am thanke you now I know I'm definitly right.   Labor theory of value     Page 2 of 2 Goto page :   1, 2 Permissions of this forum: You cannot reply to topics in this forum World Republic :: Parliament :: Politics World Republic :: Parliament :: Politics Forum free | © phpbb | Free forum support | Statistics | Report an abuse | Create your blog