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PostSubject: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:30 pm

this is a serious topic.

i want to see your opinions

pro choice or pro life

remeber you cant always be 100% for ethier one. its a moral dilema to be that way

i think pro choice, but only if raped, unable to handle finacial stress, or cant birth.
if you were jsut stupid, birth the baby and adopt it out

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:42 pm

Pro choice ftw!

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:43 pm

but what if they were just careless, didnt use comdoms. you would still support it
becuase then they're is no punishment for thier careless deeds

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:48 pm

enviro wrote:
but what if they were just careless, didnt use comdoms. you would still support it
becuase then they're is no punishment for thier careless deeds


Its there choice, if it was a mistake, they can choose to have a abortion.
If they did it on purpose, they are weird, but they are still individuals and they can make that choice by themselves, I mean they pay for it and all.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:24 pm

i think you are right, but maybe they should still brith it

also what if you were trying to have a child, and you fond out it was going to be retarted, would you abort(or allow it)

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:25 pm

enviro wrote:
i think you are right, but maybe they should still brith it

also what if you were trying to have a child, and you fond out it was going to be retarted, would you abort(or allow it)

Hmmm... well I would say abort it and try another one and hope its not retarted.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:26 pm

i dont know.
i mean you figure that out at stage 3, by then the baby is ike 4 weeks from being almost fully developed

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:36 pm

enviro wrote:
i dont know.
i mean you figure that out at stage 3, by then the baby is ike 4 weeks from being almost fully developed


Then I guess I dont have a choice and have a retarted baby.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:45 pm

no no
you can still abort
it wont hurt, but still i mean Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:58 pm

enviro wrote:
no no
you can still abort
it wont hurt, but still i mean Sad


Oh rofl, then I don't know Il see then Razz.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:56 pm

We already discussed this topic....

Simple: Scientifically and objectively abortion is murder for it implies the interruption of life.

Is interrupting this life ok or not? In my view nothing justifies murder, not even economic conditions or rape.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:35 am

bu sometimes the egg attached to the fallopian tube instead of the uterus
if left to develop, it will burst killing mother and baby.

would you let an abortion for that, or else both die!

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:51 am

enviro wrote:
bu sometimes the egg attached to the fallopian tube instead of the uterus
if left to develop, it will burst killing mother and baby.

would you let an abortion for that, or else both die!


If it's saving one life or the two are lost then of course saving one life is the alternative to choose.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:15 am

good
also do you belive yourself a knwoleageable person on life and global warming(not comparing, just aksing)

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:57 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
We already discussed this topic....

Simple: Scientifically and objectively abortion is murder for it implies the interruption of life.

Is interrupting this life ok or not? In my view nothing justifies murder, not even economic conditions or rape.

Spermcells are alive, is having sex "murder" then to?

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:27 pm

CoolKidX wrote:

Spermcells are alive, is having sex "murder" then to?


Spermcells are not humans in development.

enviro wrote:
good
also do you belive yourself a knwoleageable person on life and global warming(not comparing, just aksing)


This is utterely irrelevant to the discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:49 pm

i think this is a racial question, its a matter of race if its murder to kill a baby before its born, sure some babys of certain race of course have less value, and to prevent overflow of people.
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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:13 pm

Largely, I think that this subject is - whether intentionally or not - illusory; it reduces our level of discourse and it keeps the general public unaware of the genuinely important issues - like Capitalism v. Socialism. It raises blinders to the things that truly require attention, along with gay marriage, illegal immigration, gun rights, etc.

But, if I had to answer, I would have to be considered pro-choice, for lack of giving a shit about an embryo, which is the operative word here. It's not a baby. It's an embryo.

You could, perhaps, raise the argument that the unwanted fetus is coercing upon the mother. Their relationship is involuntary, and since the mother is an actual living and breathing human being I would have to think that any recourse could be seen as legitimate and even necessary on her part.

Again, though, abortion is a stupid issue.

By the way, here's a fun little link a found a while back when arguing about abortion. Check it out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21255186/

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:31 pm

that was pretty funny.
but what about stem cells,(form of abortion)

do you belive that women should be able to sell there eggs for stemcell research?
tehre not going to use them, so why not right. stem cells could help cure spinal problems and what not

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PostSubject: Re: Abortion   Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:15 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


Spermcells are not humans in development.


Yes they are, they can be used to make a human.

Also you make it sound humans are more important then something else which is not human.. which is kinda right.
But I can hardly say a embryo is a human, but a hyuman in devolpment so it is not yet a true human, like a sperm cell it is not truely human yet though it can be a human.

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