greed

**enviro** · Subject: Re: greed Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:41 pm

i know i cant make a deifference in the world, but that doesnt mean i cant help indiviudals

i am considering peace corps. or is that also too capitalistic

plus i know i dont have meaning, but money does. dont be so quick to say its meaningless, it represtents what you get for what your produce, say labor or goats

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**Black_Cross** · Subject: Re: greed Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:18 pm

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plus i know i dont have meaning, but money does. dont be so quick to say its meaningless

It may have meaning, but its meaning is manufactured, not natural.

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it represtents what you get for what your produce

Marx just rolled over in his grave.
Again, that representation is artificial. Not to mention it doesn't account for money gained without labor.

Money's only around so that the few can have vast amounts more than the rest. So, if anything, money promotes greed, which, in turn, promotes the excesses in society that create all the grime within society that we condemn, but do not sincerely look to fix.

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**enviro** · Subject: Re: greed Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:46 pm

no money is hear so that you dont have to establish that 4 goats may or may not be worth 5 chickens.

money took over barteing, and money was not made to establish wealth over others. and money may have artificial meaning, but that is still a meaning. and as long as money is around, meaning will be there

also money(or so i belive you may correct me) was like buying power. you get it for your "furits of labor" wether it be inventions, or work. (unless you are noble or son of them ETC.)

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**Black_Cross** · Subject: Re: greed Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:57 pm

enviro wrote:

no money is hear so that you dont have to establish that 4 goats may or may not be worth 5 chickens.

"Don't have to" or "can't"? This is arbitrary and abstract, not to mention it puts goat "salesmen" at a distinct disadvantage, which has implications on everyone who depends on goats (not the greatest ex. for this, but i rolled with it for the abstraction).

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money took over barteing, and money was not made to establish wealth over others.

What are you blathering about? Maybe you should spend more time responding to my points, and not to points that you would've liked me to make. Might save us some time.

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and money may have artificial meaning, but that is still a meaning. and as long as money is around, meaning will be there

There's no need to repeat after me.

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also money(or so i belive you may correct me) was like buying power. you get it for your "furits of labor" wether it be inventions, or work. (unless you are noble or son of them ETC.)

And how much you get is decided by limited amounts of people, most often the people who profit from your labor/inventions. And so we come back to the point that you decided to tip-toe around.

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--Karl Polanyi--