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Gorbachev
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 |  Subject: Solipsism  Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:27 am | |
| Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane.
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:59 am | |
| | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
Solipsism is for pricks. |
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ilych
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:35 am | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
Solipsism is for pricks. |
QFT!!!!!
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Gorbachev
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:21 am | |
| I guess that was as in depth a reply as anyone could expect from such deep thinkers.
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:40 am | |
| | Gorbachev wrote: | | I guess that was as in depth a reply as anyone could expect from such deep thinkers. |
Seriously though, I don't think its possible for anyone to actually be a solipsist, there are too many paradoxes involved. |
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Gorbachev
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Age : 20
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:10 am | |
| Here is a fun mock interview with a solipsist.
http://www.nassauweekly.com/view_article.php?id=691
Here is my favourite part of the interview:
"Yes. For instance, from my solipsism, it follows that I can never die. This is because I can never observe my own death. And, since the universe consists entirely of my own observations, it follows that my demise could never occur."
Anyway, I am curious what paradoxes you see in solipsism?
For me, it's more of a fleeting thought that passes rather quickly, kind of like the inspiration that hangs for a few hours after watching a touching movie. So, I am not a solipsist.
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:04 am | |
| | Gorbachev wrote: | Here is a fun mock interview with a solipsist.
http://www.nassauweekly.com/view_article.php?id=691
Here is my favourite part of the interview:
"Yes. For instance, from my solipsism, it follows that I can never die. This is because I can never observe my own death. And, since the universe consists entirely of my own observations, it follows that my demise could never occur."
Anyway, I am curious what paradoxes you see in solipsism?
For me, it's more of a fleeting thought that passes rather quickly, kind of like the inspiration that hangs for a few hours after watching a touching movie. So, I am not a solipsist. |
Haha, I've read that before and I believe it mentions one such paradox in which since everything and everyone is a figment of his imagination, including those who do not believe in solipsism(i.e. everyone else), he does does not believe in his own solipsism. |
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Gorbachev
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:36 pm | |
| I forgot you use StumbleUpon also. It's great, eh.
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mattabesta
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:52 pm | |
| | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
I've thought that too but seems to unrealistic. |
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oligarch
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:58 am | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
I've thought that too but seems to unrealistic. |
Reality not existing is unrealistic indeed.
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Gorbachev
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:16 am | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
I've thought that too but seems to unrealistic. |
Reality not existing is unrealistic indeed. |
The only part I had thought of was that only my mind existed. Indeed, something as consistent as realitiy is hard to imagine one's mind creating.
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themacintrasher
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Location : Santa Cruz, CA
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:03 am | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | Gorbachev wrote: | Denial of the materialist existence, in itself, is not enough to be a solipsist. Possibly the most controversial feature of the solipsistic world view is the denial of the existence of other minds. We can never directly know another's mental stability. Qualia, or personal experience, is private and incorrigible. Another person's experience can be known only by analogy.
I am wondering if anyone else here has ever thought of this? I had thought about it long before I knew the name for it. I guess if anyone ever truly believed in it, they'd go on doing whatever they please. I suppose the slightest bit of doubt keeps one from going insane. |
Solipsism is for pricks. |
Indeed |
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Liche
Chairman of the WR Committee
Age : 15
Joined : 29 Jan 2008
Posts : 1535
Location : USA-Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:20 am | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | Solipsism is for pricks. |
lol I agree, their just Nihilist wannabes, Nihilism makes a lot more sense tho. |
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
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Location : Iceland
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:44 pm | |
| | well you can't really know that the world isn't a big robot. |
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oligarch
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Posts : 1492
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:18 pm | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | well you can't really know that the world isn't a big robot. |
No, but by that same logic you can not disprove the theory that the earth is a flat plate supported by the back a a giant tortoise which is a part of an infinite tower of tortoises.
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mattabesta
ZEK in siberian gulag
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:53 pm | |
| | oligarch wrote: | | mattabesta wrote: | | well you can't really know that the world isn't a big robot. |
No, but by that same logic you can not disprove the theory that the earth is a flat plate supported by the back a a giant tortoise which is a part of an infinite tower of tortoises. |
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Liche
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Location : USA-Virginia
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:34 am | |
| | mattabesta wrote: | | well you can't really know that the world isn't a big robot. |
You can't, but I can. 
And by the way, it's only one tortoise, but scientists aren't positive that it's not a turtle or an alien being. (more bull sh!t.....) (more bull sh!t.....) (more bull sh!t.....) etc.... |
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mononokifool
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Age : 19
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Posts : 814
Location : Florida
| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:31 am | |
| To think about stuff like that is a sign on intelligence and some never think about it. strange right? But to believe it is completely different lol
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Watermelon
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:23 pm | |
| There's no difference between living in a vat and this world so there's no reason to waste time worrying about it.
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mononokifool
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| | Subject: Re: Solipsism Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:21 am | |
| | Pannekoek wrote: | | There's no difference between living in a vat and this world so there's no reason to waste time worrying about it. |
Like I said to ponder on it is a sign of intelligence, yo9u dismiss stuff way to quickly and seem extreamly closed minded
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