Use of language

**RedRevolution17** · Subject: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:01 pm

So i see you can have a discussion with heavy word choose... i don't think that is good for this forum.
Yes we want free speach, but calling eachother names is not the way to discuss with eachother.
If we continue like that, then this forum is doomd... mark my words!

so my poll... do we BAN this use of language or not...

(15day poll)

6-6 anthony switched votes... see it's post.

**Liche** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:02 pm

Yes, I dont think we should allow the use of inappropriate language.

**Lilith** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:27 pm

I agree

Good initiative RR17 Razz

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:59 pm

NVM I change vote to I approve that language!

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:17 pm

I voted no. We don't have to baby people around here. If someone wants to use offensive language, let them.

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**Black_Cross** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:52 pm

Hell no! I'm with WWW. If you're not mature enough to handle a little profanity here and there (personal attacks are much different), then this site and its political content is probably out of your grasp.

And what's with this "protect freedom of speech (but not really)" baloney? That's aggrivating.

EDIT: Hyperlink goes nowhere, that's just WeiWuWei's initials (I swear he did that on purpose)

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:12 pm

Black_Cross wrote:

(I swear he did that on purpose)

rofl, it's true.

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:45 pm

I definitely don't support this initiative. I believe in freedom of expressing what you want in the way you want (unless your intentions are to outright hinder anyone's intergity).

I can't believe we're discussing this again...

Just as the world wide web says we don't have to baby people here.

What's wrong with coarse language?

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**WeiWuWei** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:49 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Just as the world wide web says we don't have to baby people here.

I lol'd. First DoWithoutDoing, and now this! Zealot, you're so PUNNY! Razz

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**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Use of language Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:53 pm

WeiWuWei wrote:

I lol'd. First DoWithoutDoing, and now this! Zealot, you're so PUNNY! Razz

I'll be unpunny now: Give me the tools and I'll get the job done! Literally unpunny.

Freedom of expression, fuck yeah!

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**RedRevolution17** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:24 am

Hutin_Khan wrote:

Man, you can't compare Kenzu to Zealot. Kenzu is an incompentent piece of shit, and Zealot is a zealous admin who did more for the Forum than anyone here. So stfu, nub.

So these are curse words? these words are offending! And that shouldn't be allawed in a discussion....

If you want to discusse, please do it in normal way, without offending language for people.

thank you.

**Liche** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:40 am

where not talking freedom of expression, were talking offending people. there is a big difference.

**RedRevolution17** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:51 am

Liche wrote:

where not talking freedom of expression, were talking offending people. there is a big difference.

indeed, i'm gonna quote it bigger..

Hutin_Khan wrote:

Man, you can't compare Kenzu to Zealot. Kenzu is an incompentent piece of shit, and Zealot is a zealous admin who did more for the Forum than anyone here. So stfu, nub.

**Liche** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:56 am

well I was saying to the other two, who did not expressing themselves. As far as I know they are saying: YEA! CUSSING AT OTHER PEOPLE IS GOOD!

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redrevolution17 is a fucking loser.
eat shit reactionary.

feel free to quote

freedom prevails

even against authoritarian douche bags like you.

**Stos** · New Party Member Posts: 545 Join date: 2008-09-14

Nope. Fuck you.

**october 17** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:44 pm

i wanted to vote yes (got a bit confused) and i cancel my vote and re vote

**RedRevolution17** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:47 pm

ok thx

that is 5-5 at the moment.

**Zealot_Kommunizma** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:51 pm

RedRevolution17 wrote:

So these are curse words? these words are offending! And that shouldn't be allawed in a discussion....

"Incompetent piece of shit"

What does this mean? This is a critic towards the performance said in a very disgruntled manner.

When critiques are given in such a way, they denote anger from the one who expresses his views. This anger both has a reason and a place in discussion.

Is it his intention to offend the subject? Perhaps it is, since he's angry at said subject. I wonder now, shouldn't people be free to express what they feel and why they feel so?

RedRevolution17 wrote:

If you want to discusse, please do it in normal way, without offending language for people.

thank you.

So your problem is with the "offensive language" but not with the offense itself? I find this posture even less defensible.

I ask again, why shouldn't people be allowed to employ the language they want? Why shouldn't people be able to freely express themsleves? Why is censorship of a certain kind of language necesary or even admisible?

You may say you want to prevent a flame war. Moderators are precisely here to regulate the happening of such events which can happen with or without the use of coarse language for offenses can always be said even in the most glamorous and refined language sometimes being more offensive in these languages, and more subtle.

So I want to know, what's your problem? The language? Personal attacks? Or both?

In case of being the language please explain why its implications justify censorship.

In case of being personal attacks, I think we all here are against them, yet, in order to come up with whether something is a personal attack or not it is UNEXPENDABLE to take the context into account. And I'll remind you, personal attack have nothing to do with whether coarse language is employed or not, since you can engage in them even with the most refined and rich language, with the most proper use of the language.

Personal attacks here are prosecuted in the Justice Comitee section of this forum if you feel someone has engaged in a personal attack against an individual, that is adressing that individual's person and not quality of the actions or other aspect linked to the person but not part of the person, then you can start a trial against that person, argue why that person has engaged in a personal attack, and let people decide what course to take.

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**CoolKidX** · Subject: Re: Use of language Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:53 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Personal attacks here are prosecuted in the Justice Comitee section of this forum if you feel someone has engaged in a personal attack against an individual, that is adressing that individual's person and not quality of the actions or other aspect linked to the person but not part of the person, then you can start a trial against that person, argue why that person has engaged in a personal attack, and let people decide what course to take.[/b]

I never knew that.
Oh well, thx for saying it now.
Can be handy. Smile

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