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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:24 am

Riddler wrote:
Shabazz Freeman wrote:

you have no place in the fight for socialism
What makes you think that you have yours? Anyways, the stalinists have built the first socialist nation, the trots didn't build a shit.

HAHA AND LOOK HOW WELL THEY DID!

THEY GOT FUCKED

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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:50 am

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HAHA AND LOOK HOW WELL THEY DID!
It's something. And it lasted for 70 years. And the creation of the USSR helped to spread socialism across the globe. And how did the trots contributed to the socialist movement?

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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:05 am

stalin executed them because he didn't want workers to have democracy and a lasting workers state that would lead to socialism.

Stalin's policies lead to the counter revolution

accept it


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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:50 am

lol "us"
yeh your defintly a martyr
plus whats wrong with murder?
plus what about the left communist? forget trotsky and stalin. how about pannekoek and luxemburg?
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:13 am

im pretty sure i mentioned the murder of the left opposition.

but he was addressing trots

and luxemburg failed in defeating the social democrats relt...
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:16 am

idc im not a luxemburgist. i just like her economics thoerie. she stil believed in a revolutionary party. idealism. she also was more of a centralist than you might think.
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:19 am

How is the concept of a revolutionary party idealism when it has been the make or break of all attempted revolutionary overthrows of the bourgeoisie?

and what would you describe yourself as?

you sound like a cliffite...which makes sense cause Marxists.org is a cliffite website
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:20 am

because if the conditions are reeeeely bad then its not needed
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:21 am

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because if the conditions are reeeeely bad then its not needed

read up on some history dude...
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:23 am

why. how am i not right.
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:42 am

im oppressed!!!!

I automatically know economics and marxist politics and how to create soviets...

yep

thats how it works
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:21 pm

dud. you dont nede to know economics. workers councils arose without a vanguard. they were a product of the historical conditions. the same wil hapen again probaly. if it doesnt the workers wil have another system. grate. we dont want the system that is just invented by somebody. we want the system that is a product of the hisstorical conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:00 pm

Watermelon wrote:
dud. you dont nede to know economics. workers councils arose without a vanguard. they were a product of the historical conditions. the same wil hapen again probaly. if it doesnt the workers wil have another system. grate. we dont want the system that is just invented by somebody. we want the system that is a product of the hisstorical conditions.

you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

People asked bolsheviks in masse how to properly set up workers councils.
Either bolsheviks or people that got info from the bolsheviks set up workers councils. A workers vanguard can't create a revolution in static conditions, it merely provides a leadership role when the historical conditions are ready
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PostSubject: Re: kenzu exposed   Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:40 am

im not taking about ussr dumi. im taking about parix comun.
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