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PostSubject: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:40 pm

if you wear a teeshirt of the revolutionary icon che guevara, that symbolises anti-capitalism....but where was it produced, at some factory where the workers are being exploited, so you can show you are against what made your shirt, lol.

btw che was a murderer who killed anyone who wasnt communist.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:45 pm

calinis wrote:

btw che was a murderer who killed anyone who wasnt communist.

You have evidence for this?
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:48 pm

yes actually i do

http://therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:04 pm

You are familiar with what a historian would consider an appropriate amount of evidence for the statement you just made?
Certainly more than a poorly done website which accuses the Cuban government of genocide. Certainly not a website which cites only 180 victims and which does not give the circumstances of their execution (judging by the rest of the website these people could be serial killers or war criminals and they'd still be classed as victims). Especially considering you did not just say che killed people.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:09 pm

well i would think that someone should not assume all the victims deserved to die, i reckon they would have been all people who stood in his way, because he was not a hero, he was a murder. and thanks to him, cuba become corrupt regime.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:19 pm

Thats not what I said. What I said was that the statement you made had little relevance to the evidence you presented.
It is not good enough to assume they were 'standing in his way' nor is it good enough to assume they did deserve to die, since there is no evidence to suggest either.

Note how you came to the conclusion that he was a murderer and therefore assumed these people stood in his way, with little to no evidence.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:27 pm

ok maybe we do not know whether he kill all weren't communist, but he certainly killed alot of people and who were not justified, they were not to die.
so how says he was good knowing what he does
it is irrelavent whether who was killed were not communist or not, he killed alot of people for no good, and i reckon some (if not the great majority) were innocent. i could probably find evidence to back it up, and you can to.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:38 pm

Why would I want to? The burden of proof is on you.
At the end of the day, I am no fan of Cuba or Che, and do not consider him to be a socialist. However, I will treat him the same as I do my best to treat everyone else and that is by not accepting just about everything I hear about them without sufficient evidence.

Nevertheless you stated "che was a murderer who killed anyone who wasnt communist."

and as I have said this is a huge leap to make with so little evidence.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:26 pm

che guevara is a reactionary idealist which i have said before. he is no socialist.
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:28 pm

calinis wrote:
and thanks to him, cuba become corrupt regime.

What are you talking about? He left as soon as he realised no progress was being made towards a communist society.

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and i reckon some (if not the great majority) were innocent.

Many innocents die in futile wars; it's a shame, but if Che didn't kill them, someone else would've. Now i'm not using this to justify what he did, but rather to say that their deaths were inevitable.

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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:13 am

Seeing there are ONLY Capitalist labor factories around the world - how are we sopose to get those? and on the side note, I don't got a Che Guevara T-shirt

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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:10 am

calinis wrote:
yes actually i do

http://therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

That site is a joke.

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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:11 am

no it isnt, its a good site, maybe you should look at it more to see how horrible the "socialist utopia" really is
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PostSubject: Re: isnt it ironic   Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:22 am

calinis wrote:
no it isnt, its a good site, maybe you should look at it more to see how horrible the "socialist utopia" really is

I'll pass, its not the best,but it's not as bad as you make it out to be.

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