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- anyway you'll probably reject this and call me a liar
Why would I do that? I only demand such a lot of evidence from this calinis guy because: a) he doesn't seem to realise that what he is saying needs a lot of backing up (especially considering his extreme solutions) and b) im so tired of hearing that kind of revisionist crap from right wingers that I have stopped bothering to argue against it and instead hope that if I ask them for evidence when they don't find any they might consider that they were wrong.
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- In my neighbourhood we have 4 state run schools and 1 private.
I know a lot of peple from the private school and most of them have very good grades but none of them are rich most of them are qite poor acctuly....
Of course this does not exclude the possibility of wealthy relatives, and rich is I suppose relative. However, if we take my own family as an example.
Both my parents either have or have the equivalent of an MSc. Doing the job they do (working for the NHS) they only earn slightly more than say, a teacher. I would have thought having an MSc marked them out as intelligent individuals. That doesn't make sense if rich people are inherently intelligent and poor inherently stupid.
Of couse, thats largely anecdotal, the sutton trust does all the real work.
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- I think he means you can't do what you want to do you're still restricted to central planning.
Yeah he probably did, but its a non argument.
under capitalism your restricted by the market (and a great deal more so).
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- so there is no goverment in communism???
Perhaps i should have said state
(in which case I should have asked for any indication that Marx thought the state and socialism compatible)
Either way the political form of govenment will largely be reduced to a local level.
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- the owner of a firm decides to buy 1000 kg of fish he takes it to his firm and tells his workers to gut the fish.
ok now the firm owner paid money for the fish so the fish s his not the workers now he also pays the workers to gut the fish so why in the world do the workers own the fish??
They are already consuming maybe 30-50% of the owners profit with theyere pay so infact they do own the means of production but just money not the acctul fish.
If the gutted fish have more value than the un-gutted fish, then the work done by gutting them must have added value right?
If the workers are the only ones doing any work to them all the increased value must have been from gutting them right (rather than the firm owner trimming his 'tache)?
If the workers are the only ones doing any work to increase the value of the fish, the fact that they are only receiving about half of this in wages means that they have been paid less than the value of what they have added.
[/most poorly explained paragraph in the whole of marxist economics.]
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- communism is obviusly for the lowere classes becuse thy are the only ones to profit all otheres will see a masssive decrese in qualaty of life.
the lower classes produced by advanced capitalist society.