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PostSubject: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:34 pm

Comrades and non comrades, I want to know your views on IQ.

Is it a reliable parameter for intelligence? Why? Which are IQ's basis to determine intelligence? Define "IQ".


I personally don't think it's reliable, but, I won't post my reasons until I see some people have posted their ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:29 pm

IQ tests are like any tests. It should be noted that it's a general view on one's inteligence, which can ALWAYS be further increased or decresed. The mood you're in, fatigue, how you've eaten all have an effect when taking the test. Basically, you must take it with a grain of salt.

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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:30 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
IQ tests are like any tests. It should be noted that it's a general view on one's inteligence, which can ALWAYS be further increased or decresed. The mood you're in, fatigue, how you've eaten all have an effect when taking the test. Basically, you must take it with a grain of salt.

Just, unlike other tests, it's purpose is not to determine knowledge or proficiency on a given subject but to "determine" intelligence, which in my view makes it a more serious kind of exam.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:26 am

I think they're useful to a degree but they're definitely not reliable enough to be the primary means of measuring a person's intelligence.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:51 am

Intelligence is determined by the material conditions. Therefore, if people have the same material conditions they will have exactly the same intelligence. Therefore to determine IQ just look at th ematerial conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:38 am

A GREAT way to show it it can not always be relieable. If he's telling the truth, which he's probably not, but if he is, Kent Hovind says he has an IQ of 160. That's a genious. Uh...

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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:23 am

I haven't gotten an IQ test, but here are somethings about me:
I understood quantam mechanics, general relatavity at the age of 11.
My Dad is a physics and math teacher and I did hist tests and got better than many of his students at the age of 11.
I understood politics very well and debated about it at the age of 10.
IN Gr.4, my teacher called scary smart because I solved many problems in Scinece and math in ways she couldnt think of.
Well, that's just somethings. Hope I'm not showing off. I am not meaning to, and I am very sorry if I am.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:30 am

....and you are?
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:58 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
I haven't gotten an IQ test, but here are somethings about me:
I understood quantam mechanics, general relatavity at the age of 11.
My Dad is a physics and math teacher and I did hist tests and got better than many of his students at the age of 11.
I understood politics very well and debated about it at the age of 10.
IN Gr.4, my teacher called scary smart because I solved many problems in Scinece and math in ways she couldnt think of.
Well, that's just somethings. Hope I'm not showing off. I am not meaning to, and I am very sorry if I am.

Well given the fact that your father is a scientist you have a genetic pedisposition easing your understanding of those subjects. If your father has exposed you to such knowledge since early age it's not surprise you'd have a good capability to solve mathematic issues easily.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:48 pm

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
I haven't gotten an IQ test, but here are my teacher called scary smart because I solved many problems in Scinece and math in ways she couldnt think of.
Well, that's just somethings. Hope I'm not showing off. I am not meaning to, and I am very sorry if I am.


lol my techere threw me out of class for showing her a qiker way to solve some maths problem, she has a masters deegre in maths.

the iq test can be Very varible on the net but with a physoligan(sp?)
it's much moar accuret since you go take parts of it sevral times.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:15 pm

mattabesta wrote:


lol my techere threw me out of class for showing her a qiker way to solve some maths problem, she has a masters deegre in maths.

Some people have their ego hurt that way.

mattabesta wrote:

the iq test can be Very varible on the net but with a physoligan(sp?)
Psychologist

mattabesta wrote:

it's much moar accuret since you go take parts of it sevral times.

Even so I wouldn't grant it too much validity. There are still lots of non-constant variables that impact the result.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:01 am

But wahat is Intellegence? Is it logic? IS it memorization? Is it making your own ways to solve problems? What exactly is intellegence?

I know it sounds...bad, but think about it.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:02 am

Liche wrote:
....and you are?
I don not quite understand what you are saying.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:24 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
But wahat is Intellegence? Is it logic? IS it memorization? Is it making your own ways to solve problems? What exactly is intellegence?

I know it sounds...bad, but think about it.

yeah that's a really hard question.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:46 pm

No. IQ tests don't actually measure intelligence.
The book 'Not In Our Genes' has an interesting chapter on IQ testing, and in it they state:

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IQ tests, then, have not been designed from the principles of some general theory of intelligence and subsequently shown to be independently a predictor of social success. On the contrary, they have been empirically adjusted and standardised to correlate well with school performance, while the notion that they measure "intelligence" is added on with no independent justification to validate them

Naturally your social success will be greatly affected by which schools you go to, your home life, and perhaps even who your family are.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:09 am

alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
Liche wrote:
....and you are?
I don not quite understand what you are saying.
I'm saying:
who are you

were do you come from

why is your name all confusing and such, etc. etc.
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PostSubject: Re: IQ- realiable parameter for intelligence?   Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:52 am

Liche wrote:
alexCCCP-RUS-54321 wrote:
Liche wrote:
....and you are?
I don not quite understand what you are saying.
I'm saying:
who are you

were do you come from

why is your name all confusing and such, etc. etc.

Liche... what did we say on off-topic?
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