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PostSubject: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 8:45 pm

I identify as a Marxist, with strong pro-Lenin and pro-Mao tendencies. However, a unique aspect of my political thought in the sense that I do identify as a "Maoist" is that I will not defend the actions of Mao after his revolution was successful -- I personally think that theoretically Mao had sound and truly Marxist ideas, but the practical execution of these ideas was basically flawed and are among the reasons China is very far from Communist society today. I can say the same with Lenin, however certain revolutionary steps Lenin took are not as arguable as those of Mao's and I may defend them in debate. It is entirely contextual. I uphold all of Marx's ideas and actions and will defend them in debate.

1. What's your understanding of Democracy? In a philosophical sense, the cooperative rule of people. In a contemporary political sense, a form of government that totally defies the philosophical definition.

2. What's your understanding of Communism? A classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production. Historically inevitable and dialectically justified.

3. What's your understanding of Capitalism? An economically exploitive system, however a stage of history.

4. What's your understanding of Fascism? Extreme authoritarian capitalism, a reaction to crisis in a Capitalist system, such as strong proletarian resistance.

5. Make a list of the all human rights you consider essential? The right to be a freely associated producer.

6. What's your understanding of Freedom? A profound and in some ways confusing idea. True freedom would be being able absolutely anything you'd like, but this would greatly endanger your safety. But to totally emphasize safety enough to reduce freedom would be an injustice. I feel we would need a mutual sense of safety in order to be free enough to do anything other than being on the constant vigil for predators. Conversely, blindly trusting another to act on behalf of your or the community's interest without any system of checks and balances is also precarious.
In a nutshell if one chooses either absolute freedom or absolute security, one will likely have neither. But I'm just rambling....
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:09 pm

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5. Make a list of the all human rights you consider essential? The right to be a freely associated producer.


Is that the only human right you consider essential?
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:15 pm

zelot you motherfucker. delete this and you die.

believing in rights is liberal. liberalism is the polar opposite of marxism.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:19 pm

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zelot you motherfucker. delete this and you die.

believing in rights is liberal. liberalism is the polar opposite of marxism.

I'm simply tired of your stupid spam posts with unfundamented statements. You better give some factual backup to your statements.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:19 pm

Well, I did sum it up in a very broad phrase; a freely associated producer. What is this? A worker that is free to pursue his or her personal interests, one associated with the commune and other workers, and a producer, or an economically free individual who produces for themselves and for a collective 'common good'. It's not that it's one human right, it's that it's an extremely broad one that leads to an exponentially better society than a society with such specific 'human rights' like, for example, the American constitution.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:21 pm

Mighty Mighty Bosstone! wrote:
Well, I did sum it up in a very broad phrase; a freely associated producer. What is this? A worker that is free to pursue his or her personal interests, one associated with the commune and other workers, and a producer, or an economically free individual who produces for themselves and for a collective 'common good'. It's not that it's one human right, it's that it's an extremely broad one that leads to an exponentially better society than a society with such specific 'human rights' like, for example, the American constitution.

Right. So, what if someone has as a personal interest to kill another freely associated producer and fulfills it?
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:28 pm

Well, then he's not much of a freely associated producer, is he? My general idea on crime in a post-revolutionary society;

the motive for crime would be greatly reduced; many crimes in and of themselves are a product of social grievance, something Socialists all aim to reduce. Further, there would be some form of 'task force', if you will, for domestic and foreign threats, should there be (for example), I dunno, a maniac running loose and killing lots of people, and there is no choice but to neutralize this threat.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 pm

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Well, then he's not much of a freely associated producer, is he? My general idea on crime in a post-revolutionary society;

the motive for crime would be greatly reduced; many crimes in and of themselves are a product of social grievance, something Socialists all aim to reduce. Further, there would be some form of 'task force', if you will, for domestic and foreign threats, should there be (for example), I dunno, a maniac running loose and killing lots of people, and there is no choice but to neutralize this threat.

The thing here is to define "crime". For example, abortion? If we agree that an embryo is a human living being, an abortion could be considered a crime since it would be a murder. But if we don't, then it would be a medical procedure. What's your stance on things like this?
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 pm

if your definition of crime is something against the law then you can eliminate it by abolishing laws. grate ide huh? thot of it meself.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:33 pm

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believing in rights is liberal. liberalism is the polar opposite of marxism.

Surprised On the contrary, most Marxists can be regarded as strongly Social-Libertarian.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:34 pm

on the contrarie, i am moar "sotiel librarian" than you . garantied. i just dont beleave in morals or rights.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:34 pm

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if your definition of crime is something against the law then you can eliminate it by abolishing laws. grate ide huh? thot of it meself.

Nah, I like a lawful society, I don't want total mayhem.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:35 pm

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Well, then he's not much of a freely associated producer, is he? My general idea on crime in a post-revolutionary society;

the motive for crime would be greatly reduced; many crimes in and of themselves are a product of social grievance, something Socialists all aim to reduce. Further, there would be some form of 'task force', if you will, for domestic and foreign threats, should there be (for example), I dunno, a maniac running loose and killing lots of people, and there is no choice but to neutralize this threat.

The thing here is to define "crime". For example, abortion? If we agree that an embryo is a human living being, an abortion could be considered a crime since it would be a murder. But if we don't, then it would be a medical procedure. What's your stance on things like this?

Basic infringements on the peaceful and interest-pursuing existence of another, you know, murder, robbing, when defining 'crime' in the context I have used think generally. It's unfortunately a moral issue in a more in-depth look at the definition of 'Crime'. A perfect example -- I would not consider abortion murder at all, and thus not a 'Crime'. A sticky subject, indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:37 pm

obiwan wrote:
on the contrarie, i am moar "sotiel librarian" than you . garantied. i just dont beleave in morals or rights.

You back up your statements with absolutely nothing, simply a topic sentence and no paragraph. I'm not going to reply further.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:39 pm

Mighty Mighty Bosstone! wrote:

Basic infringements on the peaceful and interest-pursuing existence of another, you know, murder, robbing, when defining 'crime' in the context I have used think generally. It's unfortunately a moral issue in a more in-depth look at the definition of 'Crime'. A perfect example -- I would not consider abortion murder at all, and thus not a 'Crime'. A sticky subject, indeed.

Yeah this is a sticky subject. For exaple, I do consider abortion murder since I consider the embryo a living human being in development, for me is not much different from killing a newborn baby, for example. That's my view.

That's why I think there should be a more specific set of rules for human coexistance.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:42 pm

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Yeah this is a sticky subject. For exaple, I do consider abortion murder since I consider the embryo a living human being in development, for me is not much different from killing a newborn baby, for example. That's my view.

Well then I can't wait to join an Abortion debate you're in... Razz

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That's why I think there should be a more specific set of rules for human coexistance.

I think that each Communist society would have a specific twist on social issues depending on the ideas of the 'freely associated producers' living in that society. There would be constitutions and mission statements and whatnot, I think.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:43 pm

im giving persenel info. i hate morals. i say i have blue eyes you say, back it up spamar! shees.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:46 pm

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im giving persenel info. i hate morals. i say i have blue eyes you say, back it up spamar! shees.

Well, c'mon, let's be practical -- in a politically theoretical topic such as this one the only way I can effectively reply to your ideas is if you expound on them. I can start a thread and say "I'm a Communist 'cause it's cool." That isn't a very logical political grounds for being a Communist, is it? Inevitably, some one would ask me to back it up with a sound political theory.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:46 pm

Mighty Mighty Bosstone! wrote:


Well then I can't wait to join an Abortion debate you're in... Razz

We'll open a new thread on the issue soon Smile

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I think that each Communist society would have a specific twist on social issues depending on the ideas of the 'freely associated producers' living in that society. There would be constitutions and mission statements and whatnot, I think.

Well I guess there should be a universal concept for Communism, I guess that's to be further debated Smile
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:48 pm

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Well I guess there should be a universal concept for Communism, I guess that's to be further debated

I didn't say they all wouldn't be founded on the same basic Marxist principles. Basic Communist theory would be intact...
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:56 pm

who cars if abortiens murdar? i dont care about murdar! its not bad! rely, i mene it!
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:57 pm

This is what I mean --

firstly, Abortion has been dismissed as irrelevant to the topic and something else more relevant is now being discussed. It was simply being used as an example and it has overstayed its welcome in the thread. Secondly, that wasn't at all a legitimate argument.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 9:59 pm

hey who broutght up abortien? not me! trying to shit the blaim i see! shame shame?
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile.   My Political Profile. Icon_minitimeMon Jul 21, 2008 10:05 pm

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hey who broutght up abortien?

Well look back, who said this?

The Missing Person YOU! have to Find wrote:
For example, abortion? If we agree that an embryo is a human living being, an abortion could be considered a crime since it would be a murder. But if we don't, then it would be a medical procedure. What's your stance on things like this?

So yeah.

The same mystery person said this:

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We'll open a new thread on the issue soon

Ending the mini-discussion on abortion. It was just an example to the larger issue, which you have yet to supply anything useful too.
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hey who broutght up abortien? not me! trying to shit the blaim i see! shame shame?

Sounds like a (failing) trolling /b/tard to me...
If this is the case, Hello /b/

and I wouldn't pay any attention to a /b/tard. They only care about making you mad, that's it.
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