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PostSubject: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 3:52 am

Before the Second World War, was a Stalinist Soviet Union worth defending as it had the potential to become a true worker's state, or was it's descent into bureaucratic tyranny to great?
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 9:52 am

It was indeed worth deffending it because it could have evolved into a socialist nation had Stalin applied the proper policies.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 10:03 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
It was indeed worth deffending it because it could have evolved into a socialist nation had Stalin applied the proper policies.

But Stalin had no intention applying such policies.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 10:19 am

oligarch wrote:

But Stalin had no intention applying such policies.

Yet they could have been applied regadless of Stalin's eagerness to do that or not. USSR was a worthy state.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 10:22 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


Yet they could have been applied regadless of Stalin's eagerness to do that or not. USSR was a worthy state.

I suppose Khrushchev could have once he came to power and I think he tried, just not hard enough, but it couldn't have happened while Stalin was still alive.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 10:59 am

oligarch wrote:

I suppose Khrushchev could have once he came to power and I think he tried, just not hard enough, but it couldn't have happened while Stalin was still alive.

Khrushchyov just increased capitalism within USSR, he could have implemented socialist policies but he simply made people more accustomed to market and consumerism.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 11:10 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Khrushchyov just increased capitalism within USSR, he could have implemented socialist policies but he simply made people more accustomed to market and consumerism.
It was an attempt to bring the soviet union out of Stalinism and into a state where socialism could be built properly but he didnt try hard enough
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 7:13 pm

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It was an attempt to bring the soviet union out of Stalinism and into a state where socialism could be built properly but he didnt try hard enough

Socialism can't be implemented with capitalism. Socialism, being the transition to communism requires the State to start building and organizing the communist infrastructure and gradually eliminate capitalism. Khrushyov simply increased the use of market and consumerism to alleviate Soviet economy increasing people's accustomization to a capitalist Society. The bases put by Khrushyov made Gorbachyov's reforms to be easily applied to USSR.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 9:16 pm

oligarch wrote:
Before the Second World War, was a Stalinist Soviet Union worth defending as it had the potential to become a true worker's state, or was it's descent into bureaucratic tyranny to great?
it was poised to become capatalist and corrupt. russia has a long history of a currubt goverment
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 10:21 pm

mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Before the Second World War, was a Stalinist Soviet Union worth defending as it had the potential to become a true worker's state, or was it's descent into bureaucratic tyranny to great?
it was poised to become capatalist and corrupt. russia has a long history of a currubt goverment


Corruption is one of the freedoms allowed both by money and ambigous legislature.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 02, 2008 11:39 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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It was an attempt to bring the soviet union out of Stalinism and into a state where socialism could be built properly but he didnt try hard enough

Socialism can't be implemented with capitalism. Socialism....Khrushyov simply increased the use of market and consumerism to alleviate Soviet economy...

What about the NEP?
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSun Feb 03, 2008 12:02 am

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What about the NEP?

As far as I understand it it was also an approach to capitalism though probably could have been a transitory attempt.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSun Feb 03, 2008 12:12 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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What about the NEP?

As far as I understand it it was also an approach to capitalism though probably could have been a transitory attempt.

And Khrushchev didn't intend to permanently make the USSR capitalist.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSun Feb 03, 2008 12:33 am

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What about the NEP?

As far as I understand it it was also an approach to capitalism though probably could have been a transitory attempt.

And Khrushchev didn't intend to permanently make the USSR capitalist.

If he didn't intended to stablish capitalism, then really he didn't try well enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 16, 2008 10:43 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
It was indeed worth deffending it because it could have evolved into a socialist nation had Stalin applied the proper policies.
Stalin was a fascist son of a bitch, therefore would never have a socialist nation.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 16, 2008 10:47 am

themacintrasher wrote:

Stalin was a fascist son of a bitch, therefore would never have a socialist nation.

Stalinist totalitarianism isn't quite fascism and after the thaw there was potential for a workers state but the Soviet Union was still too bureaucratic for afterwards.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 16, 2008 11:07 am

oligarch wrote:
themacintrasher wrote:

Stalin was a fascist son of a bitch, therefore would never have a socialist nation.

Stalinist totalitarianism isn't quite fascism and after the thaw there was potential for a workers state but the Soviet Union was still too bureaucratic for afterwards.
But......purges........
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSat Feb 16, 2008 11:19 am

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But......purges........

Again, Stalinism, not fascism.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSun Feb 17, 2008 11:16 am

In any case, this is not an example of an exemplary socialist society.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeMon Feb 18, 2008 1:36 am

themacintrasher wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
It was indeed worth deffending it because it could have evolved into a socialist nation had Stalin applied the proper policies.
Stalin was a fascist son of a bitch, therefore would never have a socialist nation.
he was a power seaking son of a bitc like all dictators he killed pepole that tretend his claim to power and he was parinoid about attackers.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeSun Aug 03, 2008 3:38 am

oligarch wrote:
themacintrasher wrote:

But......purges........

Again, Stalinism, not fascism.

geek Stalinism is a very controversial point within communism!!! pale
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeTue Aug 05, 2008 5:42 pm

stalinism is capitalism.the 'october revolutian" was simply a bourgeois revolution. during lenins time it was transitioning from feudalism to capitalism and then under stalin it was capitalist.
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeTue Aug 05, 2008 9:12 pm

That is it Melon! You are now the common enemy!
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PostSubject: Re: Defence of Stalin's USSR   Defence of Stalin's USSR Icon_minitimeWed Aug 06, 2008 8:04 pm

wel lenin was helpful as dictator in transitionin to capitlaism. but seriaslie dont trie teling me taht wehn peasants are owning pirvat porperty its sotelism.

yes i am the enemy, emennie to bourgeoisie.
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You are the enemy to the Marxists.
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