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Hoxhaist wrote:

It has been applied and it has been applied effectively. Just as Marx predicted, socialism was established. The Soviet Union was more successful han capitalism has ever been.

I agree the USSR was in many aspects far more succesful than free market capitalisms, but, unfortunately it was also based on capitalism meaning it would sooner or later self-destruct.

the ussr was succesful? they didnt produce plastic, people were treated ike shit, they had the most crappiest cars and technology, and thier food was in short supply

As I said before, don't blame communism for that. Blame the leader.

I cant believe noone said people like Karl Marx or Engles. And to be honest no true socialist or communist would just kill people. We all want a peacfull revolution. Its when the capitalist start shooting at us that they have to resist for basic survival really.

mononokifool wrote:

I cant believe noone said people like Karl Marx or Engles. And to be honest no true socialist or communist would just kill people. We all want a peacfull revolution. Its when the capitalist start shooting at us that they have to resist for basic survival really.

and ofcourse they will shot at us, becuas who wants to give away all your power, and when they do shot at us then theyll say that we started so the people will belive in them becus the controll the media.

enviro wrote:

the ussr was succesful? they didnt produce plastic, people were treated ike shit, they had the most crappiest cars and technology, and thier food was in short supply

So USSR didn't produce plastic, yet it had a lot of plastic products. I have lived with around 20-30 people that lived in the USSR and they told me that people was inmensely more kind back then, that it was much easier to trust in someone, that people were much more solidary. Treated like shit? How? Where? By whom? Under which circumstances? Crappiest cars? They move, they can endure up to around 20 years, they are better suited for Russian terrain how can they be crappy? Crappy technology? Are you serious? The best warplanes, the best and most powerful helicopters, some of the finest ships, the best rockets, the best assault rifle, excelent public transportation vehicles, excellent construction systems. How can that be crappy technology? Food supply was short mainly in wartimes and post Deténte times.

USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars.
USSR had the best ausult rifile to, but the AK-47 can u see in almost evry rebellion country...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

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USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars

lol 1, lol 2, lol3

the had a better computer technologie and thats all, best rockets? lol are you kidding me? were are your best rockets? which category? they are no caregory were you were better at rockets, best cars lol again, but yeah maybe you had some better civili cars.... and?

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USSR had the best ausult rifile to, but the AK-47 can u see in almost evry rebellion country...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

they are a ot of them and? if they are many so they are bad? you dont now shit about militäry technologie, but the AK-47 is realy old now, but whats with the AK-74 or 74M they are still VERY modern and god assult rifles

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

CoolKidX wrote:

USA had the best technology, best rockets, best cars.
...yea the USSR just gave them away for any guys who had communist idea there.

lol, Afghanistan? Saddam's Iraq? Iran Contra? And furthermore, Russia just gave away hard military ware (tanks, guns, missile systems, etc) while US gives BIOLOGICAL weapons to their allies to accomplish any means possible.

>:3c

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points

About what?
plastic?

CoolKidX wrote:

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points

About what?
plastic?

lol, can you read kidd? did you read my post? about rockets, technologie and assult rifles

RedSoviet wrote:

CoolKidX wrote:

There is now "AND"?
Im just saying =.=

forget about the cars, have you nothing to say about the outher points

THE OTHER POINTS!!
Like what asult riffles and all, i already sayd that, so what other points, plastic?

dude my dad and grandpa lived in the ussr, understalin gorabachev jurchev and breznev
they told me waht its like, army treated you like shit, carscost a shitload AND are crappy, inflaition was immenet, your arguing that a country that had 2 nutcases and feel spart was more succesful than the US?

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:

mattabesta wrote:

yeah so you can know really how dumb communism really is.

NO U!

ORLY? I find it FUNNY that communism truly preaches equality and democracy for all, while capitalism says stuff about money and making yourself the "best".

Irony, huh? I'd much rather fight for a system that calls for equality in the world than work for paper that gets you nowhere in life, ususally because MOST people who actually try fail miserably and can never get back up.

oh god, Irony, huh? I'd much rather fight for a system that actually works.

enviro wrote:

dude my dad and grandpa lived in the ussr, understalin gorabachev jurchev and breznev

So my Russian teacher, my girlfriend's family and lots of my friends' families. I lived 1 month in provincial Russia and had chance to be inmersed in some of the aspects of soviet life. My girlfriend's mother is a doctor in Russian and Soviet history, her father is an official in the army, 2 of her uncles are war veterans, one from Afghanistan. I have travelled in Ladas, in volgas in Zhigulis. I have travelled in the Tu-154. The Moscow metro is the metro I have used the most after Mexico's metro. I know how Russia is and I have a good amount of non-biased refrences of how USSR was.

USSR had lots of hard times... it had to recover from a war, it had to face a contradictory system and a tremendous arms race. And even so it managed to develop much more in several aspects than any western nation.

enviro wrote:

they told me waht its like, army treated you like shit,

The army, but you seemed to imply every single human in the USSR was treated like shit. Now, although I don't agree with taht military doctrine, it has a premise: war is terrible. They prepare soldiers to face the difficulties of a war, the ruthlessness, the suffering, they prepare them for the inhumane conditions of a war. My girlfriend's uncle served in the Airbourne divisions, he was first stationed in East Germany, then Hungary, Czechslovakia and then served a short period in Afghanistan and he has good remembrances of his times in the army. Her other uncle srved in Chechnya and even got injured by cluster bombs, after that he still remained quite patriotic and eager to serve in the army.

enviro wrote:

carscost a shitload AND are crappy,

They were indeed hard to get, but crappy? Like anyting western nations could offer was way better. Volgas didn't seem in any way inferior to western cars to me and Ladas seemed as good as any car of their kind the west can offer. Else, Soviet cars were (are, for Russians) better fitted for the Russian winter and I saw it when being in Russia. I would see BMW's stuck in the snowy streets while Soviet made cars would move normally.

For a car to be crappy it has to be MUCH worse than standard cars. That doesn't apply to Soviet cars.

Besides, with such a magnificent public transportation system, why would someone need a car?

enviro wrote:

inflaition was immenet, your arguing that a country that had 2 nutcases and feel spart was more succesful than the US?

The failure of the Soviet system has been already broadly explained. Yet it had a lot of great things: Nearly no unemployment, education for all, healthcare for all, excellent technology, cultural preservation, excellent infrastructure, powerful industries.... it had a lot of good aspects.

From a socialist point of view, USSR was more succesful than US.

No offence Zealut but almost evryone u know from the USSR think it was great and those ppl are like a couple %.
But seriusly u want to live in today's russia now or in the USSR?

[quote="CoolKidX"]No offence Zealut but almost evryone u know from the USSR think it was great and those ppl are like a couple %.[/quoet]

Actually not. When I ask them, "hat's better USSR or Russia?" they say "Hard to tell, we lack now what we had in USSR and now we have what we lacked in USSR. If I had to choose, I'd choose either of both". Besides, the people I know represent the average Russian citizen.

CoolKidX wrote:

But seriusly u want to live in today's russia now or in the USSR?

If USSR still existed I wouldn't have though it twice, I would have moved there 2 years ago.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

They were indeed hard to get, but crappy? Like anyting western nations could offer was way better. Volgas didn't seem in any way inferior to western cars to me and Ladas seemed as good as any car of their kind the west can offer. Else, Soviet cars were (are, for Russians) better fitted for the Russian winter and I saw it when being in Russia. I would see BMW's stuck in the snowy streets while Soviet made cars would move normally

zealot they were imported to iceland lada is anothere name for crappy car here.

mattabesta wrote:

zealot they were imported to iceland lada is anothere name for crappy car here.

Statement that being true would serve as proof that Icelanders are not objective.

they had a great reailway system, what RE YOU SMOKINg and dont say weed cuz thats taken

enviro wrote:

they had a great reailway system, what RE YOU SMOKINg and dont say weed cuz thats taken

Are you trying to imply that to state something like that I'd need to be out of my mind? Sorry to dissapoint you but no.

I've used both US and Russian railway systems and I see no superiority in USA's railway systems... Does that make USA systems crappy too? I've also used Italian railway systems and I don't see their advantage.... so, what's the quality paragon? Have Japanese and French bullet trains been the railway standard already for long perhaps? I don't think so.

dude srry if this is of topic but my gym teacher siad that the russian took muscle samples form babies, and dependig on the mucsle samples, they trained them into a certain type of athlete, I SNORTED A TWINKI WHEN I HEARD THAT

enviro wrote:

dude srry if this is of topic but my gym teacher siad that the russian took muscle samples form babies, and dependig on the mucsle samples, they trained them into a certain type of athlete, I SNORTED A TWINKI WHEN I HEARD THAT

Completely unlikely.