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Hero?
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Smart, but not a hero.
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No, hes bad.
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Not a hero, but not a villain either.
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PostSubject: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 2:55 pm

Military genius, many think if he was not put to death he would have taken over control of the German government.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 4:21 pm

he wasn't a real nazi and completly ignored hitlers oders to exterminate othere races but he was saved by the fact that he was probably the best general in the war the only reson he lost in france is becuse the USA can make a LOT of tanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 5:36 pm

Hero? go fu*** yourself

NAZI!
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 8:24 pm

Rommel was against the Nazis.... maybe you can call him a facist, but not a nazi.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 8:40 pm

yeah just like a large part of the german staff were never nazis they were already in the army before 1933.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 8:43 pm

yes Red Soviet, you need to brush up on history (no disrespect).
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 9:35 pm

he fight for them so NAZI!
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeFri Aug 15, 2008 11:26 pm

He had no choice...just because he fought for his country doesn't mean he fought for the government.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 1:29 am

Liche wrote:
He had no choice...just because he fought for his country doesn't mean he fought for the government.

LOL no choice... very petty excuse

he now what his goverment did, he could desert, are you realy trying now to defend a nazi?

shame on you all!
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 1:47 am

...um?

I'm defending a person not a nazi...
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 2:01 am

RedSoviet wrote:
Liche wrote:
He had no choice...just because he fought for his country doesn't mean he fought for the government.

LOL no choice... very petty excuse

he now what his goverment did, he could desert, are you realy trying now to defend a nazi?

shame on you all!

And he deserted that why he got his family killed and suicided.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 2:13 am

Red Soviet saying Rommel was Nazi just because he fought (or was forced to fight) under Hitler's Germany is no better than American's saying all Russian communists are evildoers.

And back then, if you deserted from the army, you got shot.

Rommel never supported the Nazi Party in anyway (I HOPE), he just simply fought to protect his homeland in his eyes. HOWEVER, I shall say Rommel was nothing more than a tool to be used to further the Nazi Partei's ways to expand to take the world.

Rommel is a hero in my eyes. Simply because he fought for an evildoing government doesn't make him a bad man. It's like saying all Russian soldiers were evil in their invasion of Afghanistan just because they fought for a lost cause. Most fought for their homeland to protect it from whatever lies the government told them. After the war, many veterans hated their government for spreading lies. They went home and just simply lived life as best they could after that.

On the other hand, American soldiers believe they ARE fighting for true freedom in other lands from the start. They believe they are freeing other countries that never asked in the first place, causing all sorts of problems and letting the American government brand the Middle East as "raghead terrorists". Thus, more soldiers are motivatived to fight more and as US ranks raise, the more angry parents and kids in Afghanistan and Iraq are born because of those so-called "collatoral damage" and they pick up 20+year AKs to fight the men in digital death. Simply because they have nothing left and the US doesn't help them.

My cousin who once served in Iraq NEVER wants to go back there ever again. I will never ask him why for obvious reasons, but I suspect it's because he was lied to and saw the killings firsthand. Most fighters against the US in both Iraqi and Afghanistan have nothing left because of US military might "shock and awe" which pretty much destoryed everything within days. Now, the US government is saying that Saddam and the Taliban were that horrible to destory the homes of the Middle Eastern people.

Even the US government is recuiting RETIRED soldiers and soldiers who HAVE SERVED THEIR TIME to "fight against the terrorists". The people of America have been LIED to once again, and instead of fighting it, they don't care and let it happen. It's sad and extremely effective propaganda against the weak minded people.

I highly respect all soldiers of all nations however, despite somebody saying "so and so is evil" and whatnot.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 2:19 am

and?

he was by the poland invasion and the freanche invasion, and of course africa!

ok he was not a fanatic and maybe not even convinced, but you are saing a HERO?!? not a bad person?

Are you out of your mind?

ok lets find some realy bloody and sick war like thet one in liberia or somalia and find some comander that is not sadistic, that not cut of the hands of enemys and civilianz and who is maybe not making a genocide on each villig, and than we can call him a "hero" ?

If I understand aright ... you call rommel a "HERO"

he was a showpiece for the NSDAP


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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 3:40 am

show peice? he was the best general of the 20th century!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 7:13 am

He was a hero to the German people, he gave them hope in a time of war. Many Germans said they thought Rommel would gather his troops and over throw Hitler, and all of them at least claimed to like Rommel better...You do know he was killed BECAUSE they liked him better right? (at least that's one reason he was put to death).
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 12:29 pm

the german army was NOT nationalsocialist, only the SS where.
almost all the generals from the german army where not nazis, and they where against it.
rommel might be fascist, nationalist, conservatist, liberal, democratic or even socialist. but not nationalsocialist!

it was a very blurry time, and it was hard for the german people to se what was right and wrong. the rest of the old emperialistic world had let down germany, this led to a massive frustration. some people where smart enough to know that, most of those people fleed from germany. but people like rommel where to nationalist to flee, they wanted to stay and fight. and the smartest way for rommel to fight was like this.

another general that where not nazi where Erich von Manstein
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSat Aug 16, 2008 11:48 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guderian,_Heinz

Guderian was also a good general.. ok maybe not good rathere the inventor of the german BLITZ
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSun Aug 17, 2008 12:00 am

I see what you are saying matt.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSun Aug 17, 2008 12:51 am

Liche wrote:
I see what you are saying matt.

can you tell me becuse I don't know
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSun Aug 17, 2008 1:07 am

mattabesta wrote:
Liche wrote:
I see what you are saying matt.

can you tell me becuse I don't know

you dont now what YOU are saying?
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeSun Aug 17, 2008 1:56 am

I did undiecided i think he's a genius in the milatary
+!!!! After D-day he actully made a plot to KILL HITLER !
But Hitler killed him.

So i wouldnt call him a 100% Nazi
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeMon Aug 18, 2008 5:36 pm

mattabesta wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guderian,_Heinz

Guderian was also a good general.. ok maybe not good rathere the inventor of the german BLITZ
guderian was defenetly also a good general
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeTue Aug 19, 2008 1:35 am

Tyrlop wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guderian,_Heinz

Guderian was also a good general.. ok maybe not good rathere the inventor of the german BLITZ
guderian was defenetly also a good general

not to mention nearly ery singel feild marshall the germans had.
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PostSubject: Re: Erwin Rommel   Erwin Rommel Icon_minitimeTue Aug 19, 2008 7:03 pm

He's not a hero, but I wouldn't gulag him. I have respect for him as a great military leader, and he was part of the plot to kill Hitler.
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