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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:46 am

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no it was universal healthcare how can that be crap??????????

Because it was bureaucratic and convoluted and made no sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:48 am

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no it was universal healthcare how can that be crap??????????

Because it was bureaucratic and convoluted and made no sense.
Iceland has universal healthcare.
it's expensive but pay's off.
Iceland has a living expectacy of 5 years longer than the us.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:52 am

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Iceland has universal healthcare.
it's expensive but pay's off.
Iceland has a living expectacy of 5 years longer than the us.

Probably because its not a piece of crap like what Hillary was and is proposing.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:53 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

Iceland has universal healthcare.
it's expensive but pay's off.
Iceland has a living expectacy of 5 years longer than the us.

Probably because its not a piece of crap like what Hillary was and is proposing.
and she's propasing what?
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:30 pm

She's proposing universal healthcare that is a monstrous bureaucracy, one that covers people and makes people pay for it, regardless of whether they want/need it or not. Basically, its one size fits all.

Obama's healthcare plan makes more sense, its cheaper and more effective.

Anyways, I believe that Obama will win, he pretty much swept all the primaries after Super Tuesday, and his forces on the ground are doing much better than Hillary's.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:00 pm

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and were are those sastistics?
i read it once in Illustrated science, so i think its a statistic i can trust Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:32 am

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She's proposing universal healthcare that is a monstrous bureaucracy, one that covers people and makes people pay for it, regardless of whether they want/need it or not. Basically, its one size fits all.

Obama's healthcare plan makes more sense, its cheaper and more effective.

Anyways, I believe that Obama will win, he pretty much swept all the primaries after Super Tuesday, and his forces on the ground are doing much better than Hillary's.
yes her system makes the goverment pay 1/4 the insurance 2/4 and you 1/4 and you have to have insurenc if you can not afford the goverment will pay a bigger part for you.
veery simpel and effectiv but too burocratc and good for the nation for an american.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:33 am

mattabesta wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
She's proposing universal healthcare that is a monstrous bureaucracy, one that covers people and makes people pay for it, regardless of whether they want/need it or not. Basically, its one size fits all.

Obama's healthcare plan makes more sense, its cheaper and more effective.

Anyways, I believe that Obama will win, he pretty much swept all the primaries after Super Tuesday, and his forces on the ground are doing much better than Hillary's.
yes her system makes the goverment pay 1/4 the insurance 2/4 and you 1/4 and you have to have insurenc if you can not afford the goverment will pay a bigger part for you.
veery simpel and effectiv but too burocratc and good for the nation for an american.

In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:56 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
carmen510 wrote:
She's proposing universal healthcare that is a monstrous bureaucracy, one that covers people and makes people pay for it, regardless of whether they want/need it or not. Basically, its one size fits all.

Obama's healthcare plan makes more sense, its cheaper and more effective.

Anyways, I believe that Obama will win, he pretty much swept all the primaries after Super Tuesday, and his forces on the ground are doing much better than Hillary's.
yes her system makes the goverment pay 1/4 the insurance 2/4 and you 1/4 and you have to have insurenc if you can not afford the goverment will pay a bigger part for you.
veery simpel and effectiv but too burocratc and good for the nation for an american.

In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
that is paying less
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:58 am

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In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
that is paying less

People who can not afford it will be people who pay little or no income tax its unnecessarily bureaucratic and complicated.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:00 am

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mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:


In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
that is paying less

People who can not afford it will be people who pay little or no income tax its unnecessarily bureaucratic and complicated.
hu?
pepole who pay nothing are teenagers and are coverd by theyer parents.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:02 am

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oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:


In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
that is paying less

People who can not afford it will be people who pay little or no income tax its unnecessarily bureaucratic and complicated.
hu?
pepole who pay nothing are teenagers and are coverd by theyer parents.

No, unemployed people do not pay income taxes as they have no income.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:04 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:


In her system the government does not pay more if you can't afford it but you can deduct what you can't afford from your income tax.
that is paying less

People who can not afford it will be people who pay little or no income tax its unnecessarily bureaucratic and complicated.
hu?
pepole who pay nothing are teenagers and are coverd by theyer parents.

No, unemployed people do not pay income taxes as they have no income.
humm good point
your right itīs a wierd way of helping the poor afford health isuranc
but it ainīt too burocratic.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:07 am

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oligarch wrote:


No, unemployed people do not pay income taxes as they have no income.
humm good point
your right itīs a wierd way of helping the poor afford health isuranc
but it ainīt too burocratic.

Its still much more complicated than it needs to be.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:08 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:


No, unemployed people do not pay income taxes as they have no income.
humm good point
your right itīs a wierd way of helping the poor afford health isuranc
but it ainīt too burocratic.

Its still much more complicated than it needs to be.
how so?
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:11 am

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Its still much more complicated than it needs to be.
how so?

It could simply be cheaper to people who can't afford it, or better yet, free for everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:38 pm

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:

Its still much more complicated than it needs to be.
how so?

It could simply be cheaper to people who can't afford it, or better yet, free for everyone.
why should it be cheper poor pepole have the same chanse of getting cancer as i do.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:13 am

mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:

Its still much more complicated than it needs to be.
how so?

It could simply be cheaper to people who can't afford it, or better yet, free for everyone.
why should it be cheper poor pepole have the same chanse of getting cancer as i do.
said poor people are going to die way faster because they medicine to keep you going is so damned expensive
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:32 am

[quote="mattabesta"]
mattabesta wrote:

oligarch wrote:

It could simply be cheaper to people who can't afford it, or better yet, free for everyone.
why should it be cheper poor pepole have the same chanse of getting cancer as i do.

If you don’t have health insurance you are more likely to be diagnosed with cancers in their 3rd and 4th stages; and not in the 1st and 2nd stages when medical interventions can save lives.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:05 am

[quote="oligarch"]
mattabesta wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

oligarch wrote:

It could simply be cheaper to people who can't afford it, or better yet, free for everyone.
why should it be cheper poor pepole have the same chanse of getting cancer as i do.

If you don’t have health insurance you are more likely to be diagnosed with cancers in their 3rd and 4th stages; and not in the 1st and 2nd stages when medical interventions can save lives.
umm ye i Know.
but you didnīt answer my Q
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:27 am

ill answer your Q even though its pretty obvious, the poor people dosent have a greater of cancer than you thats true, the reason it should be cheaper (if not free) is simply because they are POOR they havent got the kinda money you got, they cant afford getting cancer, its not about who has a greater chance of getting sick, its about who cant afford to get sick
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:39 pm

if they donīt pay as much as me then they wonīt be poor any longer and i will become poor.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:33 am

no you wount cause you still have your income, and even if your medical bill did rise a bit then i dont think it would be the thing to throw you into bankruptcy
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PostSubject: Re: Super Tuesday!   Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:01 am

And just because they pay a little less doesn't mean that they'll be lifted out of poverty.
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