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PostSubject: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:50 am

I have stated in my introduction thread that I am a capitalist. What I didn't say is that I am open minded and persuadable in regards to opinions on just about any matter. I am telling you this so you will understand why I am defending communism. What you will read ahead is a typical thing a capitalist leader will say regarding communism -- No information to why it is bad, only that it is bad, and it also implies that people people who read Marx and believe what he says are stupid. This is infuriating bigotry to me.

"Winston Churchill: How to argue with a Communist -------Source: Cuban American Democracy Project

I tell you it's no use arguing with a communist. It's no good trying to convert a communist or persuade him. You can only deal with him on the following basis...you can only do it by having superior force on your side on the matter in question -- and they must also be convinced that you will use --- you will not hesitate to use those forces , if necessary, in the most ruthless manner.

You have not only to convince a communist government that you have a superior force -- that they are confronted by superior force -- but that you are not restrained by any moral consideration, if the case arose, from using that force with complete material ruthlessness. And that is the greatest chance of peace, the surest road to peace.

* Communists are socialist with guns.
* Socialists/Communists are people who READ Marx/Lenin
* AntiSocialists/AntiCommunists are people who UNDERSTAND Marx/Lenin"


I have witnessed in my life a lot of people who believe something for no other reason than that it serves them to believe in it. It benefits certain people in America to live in a capitalist state, while others it does not. I have made it a rule in my life to never gain an opinion on anything without knowing about all sides of the argument. Some people in America say global warming is a hoax, and that liberals are pushing it onto us because it somehow benefits them to do so. I refuse to believe any politically motivated scientific statements on global warming. Against or for it. It is my personal belief that it does exist and it is happening, but I am open to the argument that I am wrong. I feel if everyone were like this, a lot more people would be getting along with one another, and perhaps more educated. At least, easier to educate. But, I digress.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:32 am

Gorbachev wrote:


"Winston Churchill: How to argue with a Communist -------Source: Cuban American Democracy Project

* Communists are socialist with guns.
* Socialists/Communists are people who READ Marx/Lenin
* AntiSocialists/AntiCommunists are people who UNDERSTAND Marx/Lenin"

I have made it a rule in my life to never gain an opinion on anything without knowing about all sides of the argument....

WTF? Churchill just contradiced himself SEVERELY right there! And just how can "anti-com/social-ists" be people who understand Marx/Lenin?! WTF?
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:12 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
Gorbachev wrote:


"Winston Churchill: How to argue with a Communist -------Source: Cuban American Democracy Project

* Communists are socialist with guns.
* Socialists/Communists are people who READ Marx/Lenin
* AntiSocialists/AntiCommunists are people who UNDERSTAND Marx/Lenin"

I have made it a rule in my life to never gain an opinion on anything without knowing about all sides of the argument....

WTF? Churchill just contradiced himself SEVERELY right there! And just how can "anti-com/social-ists" be people who understand Marx/Lenin?! WTF?

He's saying that anyone who actually understands Marx and Lenin would have to against communism/socialism.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:02 am

Gorbachev wrote:
I have stated in my introduction thread that I am a capitalist. What I didn't say is that I am open minded and persuadable in regards to opinions on just about any matter. I am telling you this so you will understand why I am defending communism. What you will read ahead is a typical thing a capitalist leader will say regarding communism -- No information to why it is bad, only that it is bad, and it also implies that people people who read Marx and believe what he says are stupid. This is infuriating bigotry to me.

"Winston Churchill: How to argue with a Communist -------Source: Cuban American Democracy Project

I tell you it's no use arguing with a communist. It's no good trying to convert a communist or persuade him. You can only deal with him on the following basis...you can only do it by having superior force on your side on the matter in question -- and they must also be convinced that you will use --- you will not hesitate to use those forces , if necessary, in the most ruthless manner.

You have not only to convince a communist government that you have a superior force -- that they are confronted by superior force -- but that you are not restrained by any moral consideration, if the case arose, from using that force with complete material ruthlessness. And that is the greatest chance of peace, the surest road to peace.

* Communists are socialist with guns.
* Socialists/Communists are people who READ Marx/Lenin
* AntiSocialists/AntiCommunists are people who UNDERSTAND Marx/Lenin"


I have witnessed in my life a lot of people who believe something for no other reason than that it serves them to believe in it. It benefits certain people in America to live in a capitalist state, while others it does not. I have made it a rule in my life to never gain an opinion on anything without knowing about all sides of the argument. Some people in America say global warming is a hoax, and that liberals are pushing it onto us because it somehow benefits them to do so. I refuse to believe any politically motivated scientific statements on global warming. Against or for it. It is my personal belief that it does exist and it is happening, but I am open to the argument that I am wrong. I feel if everyone were like this, a lot more people would be getting along with one another, and perhaps more educated. At least, easier to educate. But, I digress.
I complytly agree with you globalwarming is in the intrest of the scientist how studei it if there is nothing to worry about then why should they get paid, the same for the pree if something is bad it sells.

the world is influeced by power,politics and money tke no side becuse nether is right becuse none is right truth dose not exist only your convinsion that it dose.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:34 am

Global warming is real.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:04 pm

oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:58 am

mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:37 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:21 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:41 am

mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:46 am

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:56 am

ilych wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
if ther has been a 0.2 degre increas in tempeture in the last 20 years then in the next 10 years that will be 01 degre you think that will have effect?!#/&#%%/$#&%$"#/%$
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:45 am

Even seemingly minute changes will have a large effect.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:28 am

mattabesta wrote:
ilych wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
if ther has been a 0.2 degre increas in tempeture in the last 20 years then in the next 10 years that will be 01 degre you think that will have effect?!#/&#%%/$#&%$"#/%$
did you ever attend a science class, that is a world average, and 1 degree can make a hug difference on storms etc, thing is there are places that are much warmer thne they used to be while other places are geting alot colder, where i live, ice used to come down all the way to the harbour when i was little, 2-4, and, now it barly reaches the northern part of the island somtimes, its real, now, say that the world is going to be destroyed in 10 years is ludacris, but, the effects of global warmign will be here for along time to come

VOTE REDNATION AS YOUR SOCIALIST LEADER!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:26 am

Global Warming is the #1 thing I need for that global collapse for that Dictatorship I wanna set up...Yay global warming!
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:26 pm

Diogritor wrote:
Global Warming is the #1 thing I need for that global collapse for that Dictatorship I wanna set up...Yay global warming!

You can't establish a dictatorship in a post-apocalyptic anarchy just like that; its way more complicated.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:44 am

I would do it like Hitler did(The good part. They WERE out of the depression 5 years early) and promise jobs and a way of life... It is actually VERY easy to establish a dictatorship during a mass depression.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:51 am

Diogritor wrote:
I would do it like Hitler did(The good part. They WERE out of the depression 5 years early) and promise jobs and a way of life... It is actually VERY easy to establish a dictatorship during a mass depression.

Ya, but your political power has to come from somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:03 pm

RedNation wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
ilych wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
if ther has been a 0.2 degre increas in tempeture in the last 20 years then in the next 10 years that will be 01 degre you think that will have effect?!#/&#%%/$#&%$"#/%$
did you ever attend a science class, that is a world average, and 1 degree can make a hug difference on storms etc, thing is there are places that are much warmer thne they used to be while other places are geting alot colder, where i live, ice used to come down all the way to the harbour when i was little, 2-4, and, now it barly reaches the northern part of the island somtimes, its real, now, say that the world is going to be destroyed in 10 years is ludacris, but, the effects of global warmign will be here for along time to come

VOTE REDNATION AS YOUR SOCIALIST LEADER!!!!!

it used to.
I know from experienc that this is true iceland glacers are melting at top speed.
but this winter has been the coldest for 13years.
ofcourse I'v taken sicenc class and got ten.
what's bad about global warming.
1. higer tempetures (hotter for the dummeis)
2.more drougts and floods.
3.higher waterlevels.

the warer is rising by 1cm a year we can buld higer houses and the dutch have invented floting houses. water has been flowing trhough florenc and amsterdam for cnturyes and they arn't dieng they adabt like we always do.
2. should be solved when icreads water vapor in the air increses as the poles melt.

the thing is the climet will always be changing, up and down i mean it has to be ether and in both cases animals will dei but others will live thus going by natures law of the fittest.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:41 am

mattabesta wrote:
RedNation wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
ilych wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
if ther has been a 0.2 degre increas in tempeture in the last 20 years then in the next 10 years that will be 01 degre you think that will have effect?!#/&#%%/$#&%$"#/%$
did you ever attend a science class, that is a world average, and 1 degree can make a hug difference on storms etc, thing is there are places that are much warmer thne they used to be while other places are geting alot colder, where i live, ice used to come down all the way to the harbour when i was little, 2-4, and, now it barly reaches the northern part of the island somtimes, its real, now, say that the world is going to be destroyed in 10 years is ludacris, but, the effects of global warmign will be here for along time to come

VOTE REDNATION AS YOUR SOCIALIST LEADER!!!!!

it used to.
I know from experienc that this is true iceland glacers are melting at top speed.
but this winter has been the coldest for 13years.
ofcourse I'v taken sicenc class and got ten.
what's bad about global warming.
1. higer tempetures (hotter for the dummeis)
2.more drougts and floods.
3.higher waterlevels.

the warer is rising by 1cm a year we can buld higer houses and the dutch have invented floting houses. water has been flowing trhough florenc and amsterdam for cnturyes and they arn't dieng they adabt like we always do.
2. should be solved when icreads water vapor in the air increses as the poles melt.

the thing is the climet will always be changing, up and down i mean it has to be ether and in both cases animals will dei but others will live thus going by natures law of the fittest.

The more developed countries may be able to adapt for some time but the climate will change to quickly and too dramatically for this to go on for very long and even if it can, the developing countries will still be affected.
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PostSubject: Re: Typical "Close Mindedness"   Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:02 pm

oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
RedNation wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
ilych wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
oligarch wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
oligarch wrote:
Global warming is real.
yeah but ther is a lot of propaganda around it.

Better than propaganda saying global warming didn't exist.

Indeed... though sometimes it's pretty exagerated... (Day After Tomorrow rings a bell?)

lol so true the world is split in trhe parts one thinks global warming will kill us in the next 10 years and the next denise it.
the third dosn't give a shit(Insert me here)

I doubt the world will be destroyed in 10 years but there will be serious effects by then.
uunless something is done of course
if ther has been a 0.2 degre increas in tempeture in the last 20 years then in the next 10 years that will be 01 degre you think that will have effect?!#/&#%%/$#&%$"#/%$
did you ever attend a science class, that is a world average, and 1 degree can make a hug difference on storms etc, thing is there are places that are much warmer thne they used to be while other places are geting alot colder, where i live, ice used to come down all the way to the harbour when i was little, 2-4, and, now it barly reaches the northern part of the island somtimes, its real, now, say that the world is going to be destroyed in 10 years is ludacris, but, the effects of global warmign will be here for along time to come

VOTE REDNATION AS YOUR SOCIALIST LEADER!!!!!

it used to.
I know from experienc that this is true iceland glacers are melting at top speed.
but this winter has been the coldest for 13years.
ofcourse I'v taken sicenc class and got ten.
what's bad about global warming.
1. higer tempetures (hotter for the dummeis)
2.more drougts and floods.
3.higher waterlevels.

the warer is rising by 1cm a year we can buld higer houses and the dutch have invented floting houses. water has been flowing trhough florenc and amsterdam for cnturyes and they arn't dieng they adabt like we always do.
2. should be solved when icreads water vapor in the air increses as the poles melt.

the thing is the climet will always be changing, up and down i mean it has to be ether and in both cases animals will dei but others will live thus going by natures law of the fittest.

The more developed countries may be able to adapt for some time but the climate will change to quickly and too dramatically for this to go on for very long and even if it can, the developing countries will still be affected.
It's acctully happening very slowly.
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