Homosexuality : Moral or Immoral ?

why the f**k do we have thred like this once every week, we have 2 homosexual threads, im kool with it if they dont explain in detail to me

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

Xerxes was a woman. They said so on south park.

South Park lies.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

I don't know if that's sufficient reason to make them stop, and i'm in no place to argue against your point, since i have no idea what peoples' reactions are towards these parades.

Well, I've mostly seen people growing tired of such parades.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

I definitely agree with that. But that's the problem of the individual people, not the parade itself. I mean, i'm sure they are more likely to do this during the parade, but this isn't justification, to me, for getting rid of the parade.

Indeed it's not matter of punising all for the acts of few, the thing is that I'm convinced that even if they think so their parade doesn't help their cause and instead gives a worse impression of them as "hostile" people towards society.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

... And they shouldn't do that? i mean, we "tag" ourselves socialist, and we're proud of it. Are these two circumstances really any different?

Indeed they're. Socialism is a political stance that advocates for a complete restructuration of society. We don't ask for acceptance or tolerance, we don't care if we're not tolerated we're struggling for a whole change and some of us would give our lives for that. Homosexuality in the other hand is a personal issue individuals regardless of their political and economic views are struggling to get society to accept. They are asking to be treated equally to hetereosexuals. Homosexuals are struggling for people to see homosexuality no different from heterosexuality in tht it's just another way of the same kind. But then come the flamboyant gays dressed like erotic clowns squirting semen around the streets and shouting "hell no, we're fucking different and we want to annoy you! Don't forget to accept us in the process k?". Basically homosexuals struggle for acceptance and a reduced number of them comes and spoils all their struggle.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

I sure would hope so (though i would more hope that you didn't take away either, if given the chance)

I'd always hate to repress something, but in this particular case I think it serves much more their cause not to do such parades. Just as I hate misantropic feminists, I hate flamboyant gays. They're simply doing it wrong spoiling in the process their fellows' struggles.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

Then it's simply a difference of opinions and view points. Because i can tell you for sure that they find it necessary.

Indeed many of them find it necessary yet many of them do not realize that more than helping their agenda it actually hinders it. Others outright enjoy bothering people and closing streets while being able to dresslike dragqueens in plain daylight, something theyw wouldn't do otherwise. Lack of confidence I'd say since I have seen many transvestites confident enough to go around streets dressed like women and act normally.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

But the difference here is that this is more of a protest than a parade. Straight people can already enjoy the things in life that gays must fight for. A parallel being how absurd it would be to see the bourgeoisie going on strike.

For example, when we protest we express a message. We socialists spread our messages to end exploitation, to change the economic system, etc. We got a very clear point we direct to both our comrades, those dormant and our enemies. Enemies we want to destroy. On the other hand as I said above homosexuals are struggling for a different kind of cause. That of acceptance. In my view they're no different for heterosexuals, they just like to suck their same sexe's genitalia and that's it. But then come these butterfly men changing wholly that perception that gays are like all of us by telling the society that homosexuals are actually a strange and annoying happening.

I udnerstand it's a demonstration of courage, a demonstration of lack of fear and of unity, yes. But the problem here is that instead of putting themselves just as the common individuals they're they put themselves as bizarre attention whores.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

Also, i think democracy at this point has a bit of a biased towards gays, so i don't think they would be happy going about this in a democratic manner, since that would effectively take away any say they have in the matter, and would leave the decision up to straight people, and those intolerant of gays.

Should I mention I don't consider democracy to be able to exist without education and strong argumentation? That is democracy to exist requires society to be well informed and to be able to present arguements to deffend its posture. Therefore, whatever the posture, it ought to be well justified.

Hutin wrote:

this was a poster from world war one. like the i need you for the army bla bla shit. the ironic is tthat its black and white/gray, no happy colours like the us ones they kinda made themself like the evil

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

Xerxes was a woman. They said so on south park.

South Park lies.

They had photographic evidence, what do you have?

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Indeed it's not matter of punising all for the acts of few, the thing is that I'm convinced that even if they think so their parade doesn't help their cause and instead gives a worse impression of them as "hostile" people towards society.

If you're right, then people need edumacation. Or they need to go see a parade. They're anything but hostile.

Zealot wrote:

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

... And they shouldn't do that? i mean, we "tag" ourselves socialist, and we're proud of it. Are these two circumstances really any different?

Indeed they're. Socialism is a political stance that advocates for a complete restructuration of society. We don't ask for acceptance or tolerance, we don't care if we're not tolerated we're struggling for a whole change and some of us would give our lives for that. Homosexuality in the other hand is a personal issue individuals regardless of their political and economic views are struggling to get society to accept. They are asking to be treated equally to hetereosexuals. Homosexuals are struggling for people to see homosexuality no different from heterosexuality in tht it's just another way of the same kind. But then come the flamboyant gays dressed like erotic clowns squirting semen around the streets and shouting "hell no, we're fucking different and we want to annoy you! Don't forget to accept us in the process k?". Basically homosexuals struggle for acceptance and a reduced number of them comes and spoils all their struggle.

This isn't the way i see it happening. But it seems to be just a different point of view, so it seems pointless to argue about it.

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I'd always hate to repress something, but in this particular case I think it serves much more their cause not to do such parades. Just as I hate misantropic feminists, I hate flamboyant gays. They're simply doing it wrong spoiling in the process their fellows' struggles.

This sort of paints a parallel picture in my head. It reminds me of american anarchists. They hurt our struggle when they spray paint (A)'s all over peoples' personal property. But we can't make them stop (just like you can't make those flamboyant gays stop), cos they think they're doing what's right. But that doesn't mean we kill the whole movement because of those few people. We just have to overcome the warped views they put into peoples' minds. The same must happen with these parades.

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Indeed many of them find it necessary yet many of them do not realize that more than helping their agenda it actually hinders it.

Well you can't calculate the true value of these parades, so this would be a hard point to prove.

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Others outright enjoy bothering people and closing streets while being able to dresslike dragqueens in plain daylight, something theyw wouldn't do otherwise. Lack of confidence I'd say since I have seen many transvestites confident enough to go around streets dressed like women and act normally.

Even so, i can't say that i'd mind giving them the streets for a day. Hell, it'll probably help their confidence.

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For example, when we protest we express a message. We socialists spread our messages to end exploitation, to change the economic system, etc. We got a very clear point we direct to both our comrades, those dormant and our enemies. Enemies we want to destroy. On the other hand as I said above homosexuals are struggling for a different kind of cause. That of acceptance. In my view they're no different for heterosexuals, they just like to suck their same sexe's genitalia and that's it. But then come these butterfly men changing wholly that perception that gays are like all of us by telling the society that homosexuals are actually a strange and annoying happening.

I gotta say, i'm a little disappointed with these judgements. They still protest the fact that they cannot marry and are constantly discriminated against.

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I udnerstand it's a demonstration of courage, a demonstration of lack of fear and of unity, yes. But the problem here is that instead of putting themselves just as the common individuals they're they put themselves as bizarre attention whores.

If they were actively trying to be an attention whore, i might agree. But i don't actually believe this. I think they are just trying to express how unique they are. And i don't think they want to be viewed as "common". Cos they shouldn't have to uniform themselves to the rest of society in order to have acceptance.

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Should I mention I don't consider democracy to be able to exist without education and strong argumentation? That is democracy to exist requires society to be well informed and to be able to present arguements to deffend its posture. Therefore, whatever the posture, it ought to be well justified.

Even well educated people can f**k up democracy. Because if they ended up banning homosexual parades, that would be unjust. That's discrimination in a very obvious form.

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:

God dammit. God also said he put the rich on this earth for a reason, so why are you a socialist?

Yes, and that reason is so we can blame shit on them.