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PostSubject: Re: creating a new forum   Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:37 am

for one Leninist and trots are completely for the proletarian revolution while moaist and stalinist are for peasant/proletariat revolution. This is a major factor too be divided about. They dont even agree on how to revolt. How can they work together if they cant revolt together. Also trots believe in the theory of permanent revolution which is also a major split. We also differ in how to educate the masses. Do you honestly think a moaist would work next to a vanguard? thats just silly.

1. of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, esp. extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.
stalinist are right communist.

If you really have faith in this site and its retainers then why has nothing been done yet? It took me and Shabazz making a site to get any kind of positive change here. But if you think that what you say can happen I will work with you to help. You have to admit that there are no stimulating conversations on here to even remotely help anyone of any age. And then there are some on here who say they are communist but when questioned about stuff they give answers that a communist would not say. There needs to be significant change in what is talked about or else this is just another forum for young teens talk about there hero's or look at youtube videos.

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PostSubject: Re: creating a new forum   Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:55 pm

mononokifool wrote:
for one Leninist and trots are completely for the proletarian revolution while moaist and stalinist are for peasant/proletariat revolution.

That's precisely one of the points to adress. In countries like Mexico its common that proletarians have peasant origins and are part-time peasants alterning between activities around the year or in intervals of years. I don't think they would classify either merely as proletarians or as peasants and I don't think they can be disregarded for being part of a great ammount of population. What about countries like Somalia where the proletarian population accounts for a small ammount of the population being "peasantry" the most extense class?

I want all socialist dogmas to clash so that a consensus of communism is born. I don't know how possible is this but I consioder it necesary.

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This is a major factor too be divided about. They dont even agree on how to revolt. How can they work together if they cant revolt together. Also trots believe in the theory of permanent revolution which is also a major split. We also differ in how to educate the masses. Do you honestly think a moaist would work next to a vanguard? thats just silly.

The thing is precisely to find as many common points as possible by confronting ideas. To debate on which would be a best common action plan. To accord to solve differences after the revolution.

In my view its important that we confront all the revolutionary left regardless of differences to get a unitary movement. To try at least temporarily to dismiss certain differences that hinder the revolutionary process and then solve them after the common enemies have been destroyed.

To try to get to a consensus on how communism should be implemented through objective debate.

I'm convinced tht as long as we're divided we won't achieve anything great.

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1. of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, esp. extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.
stalinist are right communist.

So if reaction is to oppose political and/or social change, and Stalinists do not oppose political nor social change, how do they qualify as reactionaries?

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If you really have faith in this site and its retainers then why has nothing been done yet? It took me and Shabazz making a site to get any kind of positive change here.

So far I'm experimenting with some things in this site. Im plementing prototype structures and see popular reaction to them. I haven't banned the most annoying of members yet (calinis) because as I say I like to register the kind of capitalist argumentation, I didn't limit him to spamistan out of mere coincidence.

As for the site, for an instance is not per say mine so I can't do too radical changes even if they're democratically supported. Else, the concept of this site is precisely to allow debate among different parties something that in many cases is useless nontheless given the difference of objectives between parties. It would be, from a revolutionary point of view, more productive to make an all-revolutionary left site just as beatnickzach seems to be proposing, however I think it should be extremely tolerant to absolutely every form of revolutionary left.

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But if you think that what you say can happen I will work with you to help. You have to admit that there are no stimulating conversations on here to even remotely help anyone of any age.

Yes, I admit that in many cases there are not stimulation debates an d very often stimulating ones end getting off course ending in a battle of image macros.

Basically, I was far from this site while it entered a new stage, when you, Shabazz, AD , inkus, beatnikzach an d some others flooded this site with top-quality debates to which a proportional spam, troll and lack of productive conversation reaction occured. So the last months I've been observing which are the problems of this site in order to do my best to correct them. I notice its flaws even given its intention and I'm planning some solutions to them within the framework I count with. It's not an easy task but it's not impossible.

I'd thank help a lot but I'm not sure if you'd be patient enough to help me clean up this site. After all I'm sometimes too tolerant, even more than Kenzu.

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And then there are some on here who say they are communist but when questioned about stuff they give answers that a communist would not say.

Many are communists in development or people that are defining their political posture yet and are not sure wether they qualify as communists or not. I think this is pretty much due to the age and lack of knowledge.

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There needs to be significant change in what is talked about or else this is just another forum for young teens talk about there hero's or look at youtube videos.

I agree. I want to do a massive clean-up without erasing topics I jst want to put them to archive and to put a new set of clearer guidelines, rules and implications for each section so that people know the kind of topics they can post, the kind of discussion they can have and which kind of posts will not be tolerated.
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PostSubject: Re: creating a new forum   Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:57 pm

I honestly think you are being utopian to think that everyone will eventually agree with everything and i dont really think that we should. Thats almost the same as asking anachro-capitalist to work with anachro-communist for the revolution.

I can help on more than one site. If Beatnik makes a site i will help there and if i see promise here then i will help here. I do have mod powers here. If you want to pm me to talk about it thats fine.

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PostSubject: Re: creating a new forum   Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:20 pm

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I honestly think you are being utopian to think that everyone will eventually agree with everything and i dont really think that we should. Thats almost the same as asking anachro-capitalist to work with anachro-communist for the revolution.

I don't think that we should or will agree with evrything. I think that we should first overthrow all the right and then we can solve our differences among left revolutionaires.

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I can help on more than one site. If Beatnik makes a site i will help there and if i see promise here then i will help here. I do have mod powers here. If you want to pm me to talk about it thats fine.

Ok. We'll talk about that.
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