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PostSubject: Re: right wing friends   right wing friends - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 4:47 am

RedSoviet wrote:
no way, a left wing should fight the nazis rightis .... just the idea of it is already crazy

i wona see that the when the communist party go a coalition with the fascist party too take over the government

a contradiction in itself
i doubt you were born a communist... opinions are made and re-made. how do you intend to start a revolution without spreading your ideas to the ignorant? by refusing to associate with right wing individuals you are failing them. if you are so enlightened then why not spread your discovery to the masses? why suffer them to the lies they have been taught when it is us who poses the truth?
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PostSubject: Re: right wing friends   right wing friends - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 5:07 am

Alek4a makes an excellent point red.

However, I think Red is adressing something else. Red, in my view, is addressing those who are right-wing by conviction. Blatant fascists, extremist capitalists... they're a kind of people I wouldn't be able to befriend. N ot even by my intention but by their own intransigence.

I think we can be friends of people making it clear that politically we're rivals and even making them clear that our triumph may be to some extent their misery just as their actual happiness or system is a frustration and misery for us.
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PostSubject: Re: right wing friends   right wing friends - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 2:57 pm

RedSoviet wrote:
all right wings are scum!

I think he meant ALL the right-wing.
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PostSubject: Re: right wing friends   right wing friends - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 3:37 pm

CoolKidX wrote:
RedSoviet wrote:
all right wings are scum!

I think he meant ALL the right-wing.

The thing is that some right.wing people are right.wing out of plain ignorance.
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And that's a excuse to generalise and isolate them as a lower class breed? What are we? Right wings?
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Cyprian Uljanow wrote:
And that's a excuse to generalise and isolate them as a lower class breed? What are we? Right wings?

You mean facists right?
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im sorry but i could never be friends with a nazi
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mononokifool wrote:
im sorry but i could never be friends with a nazi

Me either, but with Liberals or else u could :S?
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Cyprian Uljanow wrote:
And that's a excuse to generalise and isolate them as a lower class breed? What are we? Right wings?

No, no Cyprian. What I meant is that there are two kinds of right wingers:

1. Out of conviction.
2. Out of ignorance.

It's much easier to talk to those who are by ignorance for us than to those who by conviction hate communism.
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Blatant fascists, extremist capitalists... they're a kind of people I wouldn't be able to befriend. Not even by my intention but by their own intransigence.

Conviction. And that means... *looks up*. OH TEH NOESSSS! D: D: D:

That is like, one hundred percent of my school! SRSLY! OH WATE. NVM. I must be the only communist in mai schoolz. Razz O_o

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
I think we can be friends of people making it clear that politically we're rivals and even making them clear that our triumph may be to some extent their misery just as their actual happiness or system is a frustration and misery for us.

Indeed. Everything has their good and bad points. But to be honest, I'd much rather live in a equal peaceful society than a degenrated capitalist one where everybody only cares for themselves.

SRSLY!
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Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Blatant fascists, extremist capitalists... they're a kind of people I wouldn't be able to befriend. Not even by my intention but by their own intransigence.

Conviction. And that means... *looks up*. OH TEH NOESSSS! D: D: D:

That is like, one hundred percent of my school! SRSLY! OH WATE. NVM. I must be the only communist in mai schoolz. Razz O_o

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
I think we can be friends of people making it clear that politically we're rivals and even making them clear that our triumph may be to some extent their misery just as their actual happiness or system is a frustration and misery for us.

Indeed. Everything has their good and bad points. But to be honest, I'd much rather live in a equal peaceful society than a degenrated capitalist one where everybody only cares for themselves.

SRSLY!

Soo..if it was a commie society , the ppl will care for eachother?
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PostSubject: Re: right wing friends   right wing friends - Page 2 Icon_minitimeTue Sep 09, 2008 11:20 pm

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Soo..if it was a commie society , the ppl will care for eachother?

That's one of the bases of communism.
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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Soo..if it was a commie society , the ppl will care for eachother?

That's one of the bases of communism.

But how, gnna force ppl to care for each other, evryone has it own mind, if someone want to care ONLY for itself its his problem.
Evry body is diffrent.
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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Soo..if it was a commie society , the ppl will care for eachother?

That's one of the bases of communism.

Yes. Caring IS one of the facts of a true communist society. It was VERY evident in the Soviet Union, when the people ran into hard times. Sure, people did not have much but it was because they did NOT need so-called "freedom" or bullshit marketing wants. And now, Russia (and even Japan) are literally DYING OFF because of capitalism.

Just that rightist propaganda says it is impossible becuz of "insert bullshit slander here". Such propaganda is most of the Old Testment of Christianity, American markets, morality, and "human nature".

Well, human nature is subjective. Why aren't we all evil because most of America says so? If humans were evil by nature, we would already be DEAD.

I hate the fact I can't even spend time with my family because I am forced to go out alone. I hate the fact I abandon my friends just to make a bare living. I hate the fact I can't ever see them again because some economist said "go make money". I fucking HATE THAT SYSTEM. IT JUST TAKES FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS, TRUE SOCIETY, WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD FUCKING HELP EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME. People should LOVE each other like family, not hurt and leave others! It's WRONG. It's fucking sick and obvious to humans who DO care about society!

I see that every single day in my school. I constantly hear propaganda that "education will get better" or some bs like that. Out of my so teen something years of my life, I've ONLY seen everything grow worse and worse. Capitalism has obviously FAILED to even educate America, the richest country in the entire fucking word, properly.

That is why we MUST change. American influence is teaching it's future and her "allies" to stick to ONE SINGLE system ONLY and ruthlessly oppress others who do go against that system. I've seen it everywhere. Europe, Latin America, Asia, etc. Even in my fucking school, which I have friends I hold dear to my heart, are brainwashed into monotomny because "they say so". Well, just WHO the f**k are "THEY"?!?! Brothers? NO. Friends? NO. Teachers? NO. Elders? NO. People who care for each and every one of you? NO.

They are the ones who seek power simply because they can.

People might have not cared back then, but it was because they were not educated. People TODAY are MUCH different. We are so much capable of more than selfishness and greed. We have fucking technology to spread new ideas and facts. To unite as one and overthrow chains which shackle us.

We must rise.
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all right

An average family household is like communism, you all care for each other, help each other and etc...

You don't all ways get along, but you never get in serious fights. Also, every thing belongs to every one, you can even borrow some ones close if you ran out.
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Liche wrote:
all right

An average family household is like communism, you all care for each other, help each other and etc...

You don't all ways get along, but you never get in serious fights. Also, every thing belongs to every one, you can even borrow some ones close if you ran out.

Your neigbours are home and you just grab something LOL
but seriusly i dont think all ppl in a village or neigbhoorhood will like each, they will never care about eachother like family, im sure of that, communism dosnt change that, evryone is a invidual who think at its own, so it make it own choices.
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Your neigbours are home and you just grab something LOL
but seriusly i dont think all ppl in a village or neigbhoorhood will like each, they will never care about eachother like family, im sure of that,

Those are the effects of ignorance and immaturity.

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communism dosnt change that, evryone is a invidual who think at its own, so it make it own choices.

Yeah, that's precisely why fathers mostly take care of their sons, because they think just for their own wellbeing. And that's why there are people like us communists who can't stand unequality, who can't stand such a disfunctional society as we have now.

People that, like some animals, think of their own wellbeing and own survival are mostly uneducated or immature.

Individualist systems have been proven unefficient and they are of course as well inhumane.

This is a text I like very much which I think is linked to this topic. Have a read.
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Ok i meant was if a person dont like someone OR dosnt WANT to like him its his choise andi think both right and left wing respect a persons choise.

So you can't force him to share all of his things.
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CoolKidX wrote:
Ok i meant was if a person dont like someone OR dosnt WANT to like him its his choise andi think both right and left wing respect a persons choise.

That's called immaturity.

CoolKidX wrote:

So you can't force him to share all of his things.

Who's talking about that?
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
Ok i meant was if a person dont like someone OR dosnt WANT to like him its his choise andi think both right and left wing respect a persons choise.

That's called immaturity.

CoolKidX wrote:

So you can't force him to share all of his things.

Who's talking about that?

Ok so how can communism change that ppl will share evrything?
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Ok so how can communism change that ppl will share evrything?

Would you mind to be more clear?
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Ok so how can communism change that ppl will share evrything?

Would you mind to be more clear?


Well Jeiro said that in a commie society there wouldnt be ppl who dont share and care only about themselfs, so how can a communissm society change that, cause he was also like if it was up to communism it wouldnt be that way, but i dont get HOW it will change there minds and there own choses.
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Well Jeiro said that in a commie society there wouldnt be ppl who dont share and care only about themselfs, so how can a communissm society change that, cause he was also like if it was up to communism it wouldnt be that way, but i dont get HOW it will change there minds and there own choses.


In communism you don't go and share the few you have, in communism you simply produce for all. very different things.

Now, one of the basis of communism is that people LEARN to care about others, to stop being selfish. How do you mature? By learning, by experiencing, by understanding.
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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Well Jeiro said that in a commie society there wouldnt be ppl who dont share and care only about themselfs, so how can a communissm society change that, cause he was also like if it was up to communism it wouldnt be that way, but i dont get HOW it will change there minds and there own choses.


In communism you don't go and share the few you have, in communism you simply produce for all. very different things.

Now, one of the basis of communism is that people LEARN to care about others, to stop being selfish. How do you mature? By learning, by experiencing, by understanding.

How will they learn?
Like on school ?
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How will they learn?
Like on school ?

Do you know the meaning of learning? Learning is not the same as studying.

There are lots of methods through which people can learn.
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