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what do we do about the ex-capitalists
Kill 'em all!
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give them fake money and jail them in commy jail
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give them new identity, a new chance for new live, only secret police will know their real identity.
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send them to the coal mines to dig for us.
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make them the new leaders of the world onion!
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:40 am

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aggressive counter revolutionaries will most likely not be around after we have an established society. Immediately after a revolution i can see a strong counter-revolution movement which will still be war like in nature while handling them.

Imagine this scenary: We've succeeded but capitalist ideas have stayed within some members of society. Eventually some crazy guys miss capitalism so much and manage some guys to follow them that they form something like a terrorist group. What to do with them?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 am

everyone will be armed so the people will be able to defend the people.

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:48 am

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everyone will be armed so the people will be able to defend the people.
Which means they won't be treated nicely.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:53 am

sometimes hostility needs to be met with hostility

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:56 am

mononokifool wrote:
sometimes hostility needs to be met with hostility

That's precisely my point.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:13 am

Ideology actually has nothing to do with being a capitalist or not. A capitalist is an owner of capital and once a worker's state is established they will no longer be capitalists most of them will still use their wealth to attempt to destroy the revolution. Following the revolution, the former Capitalist Class should be dealt with on case by case basis. If a reactionary's very existence threatens to destroy the revolution the executing is perfectly justifiable as was the case with many kulaks and the Royal Family during the Russian Civil War. As for other reactionaries who are actively resisting the revolution through sabotage etc. should probably imprisoned possibly in labor camps of sorts. Former members of the ruling class who do not oppose the revolution or simply speak out against the revolution should not be repressed.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:16 am

I dont think that is a good argument though. people who can relate to capitalism and aprove and wish its further development even during a workers state or communism can be called a capitalist. We dont live in a communist society but we still call ourselves communist right

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:31 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

Imagine this scenary: We've succeeded but capitalist ideas have stayed within some members of society. Eventually some crazy guys miss capitalism so much and manage some guys to follow them that they form something like a terrorist group. What to do with them?

we need a strong leader to lead us. one that will remove every single object that will be in our way! HURRAY. lol i dont know, we could have war-state for 100 years untill they r all dead.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:38 pm

oligarch wrote:
Ideology actually has nothing to do with being a capitalist or not. A capitalist is an owner of capital and once a worker's state is established they will no longer be capitalists most of them will still use their wealth to attempt to destroy the revolution.
I agree with mononokifool. Capitalism is not only a practice but an ideology and it's important to acknowledge this.

oligarch wrote:
As for other reactionaries who are actively resisting the revolution through sabotage etc. should probably imprisoned possibly in labor camps of sorts. Former members of the ruling class who do not oppose the revolution or simply speak out against the revolution should not be repressed.

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we need a strong leader to lead us. one that will remove every single object that will be in our way! HURRAY. lol i dont know, we could have war-state for 100 years untill they r all dead.

It's not matter of extermination of capitalists, it's matter of simply eliminating reactionary criminals.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:46 pm

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It's not matter of extermination of capitalists, it's matter of simply eliminating reactionary criminals.
but if the people realize we eliminate the enemys then suddenly many people will go to the enemy, and then we suddenly got to elimnate the double, and this evil cirkle will keep going untill we end up like stalin.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:49 pm

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but if the people realize we eliminate the enemys then suddenly many people will go to the enemy, and then we suddenly got to elimnate the double, and this evil cirkle will keep going untill we end up like stalin.

So your logic is that if we destroy the workers' opressors together with the workers the workers will join their oppressors b ack again?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:22 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:

but if the people realize we eliminate the enemys then suddenly many people will go to the enemy, and then we suddenly got to elimnate the double, and this evil cirkle will keep going untill we end up like stalin.

So your logic is that if we destroy the workers' opressors together with the workers the workers will join their oppressors b ack again?
some of them will get confused becaus they still have relations to the past.
and if more join the counterrevolution the more people on the kill-o-meter and if more people there and people realize we kill more like the evil evil stalin like the old propoganda said. then theyll go join the counter revolution...
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:59 pm

Tyrlop wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:

It's not matter of extermination of capitalists, it's matter of simply eliminating reactionary criminals.
but if the people realize we eliminate the enemys then suddenly many people will go to the enemy, and then we suddenly got to elimnate the double, and this evil cirkle will keep going untill we end up like stalin.
you keep saying we. The people will be armed so the people will take of this. there will be no armed forces

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:03 pm

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some of them will get confused becaus they still have relations to the past.
and if more join the counterrevolution the more people on the kill-o-meter and if more people there and people realize we kill more like the evil evil stalin like the old propoganda said. then theyll go join the counter revolution...

How can they get confused?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:25 pm

What actully happens to rich peaple, like ppl who don't rlly give a sh!t about politcs.

Like they started as a poor man with a hotdog-stand, and now there rick, what will happen with them after the revolution?
Like keep the house lose the money cause you dont need to pay anymore.?

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:39 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:



some of them will get confused becaus they still have relations to the past.
and if more join the counterrevolution the more people on the kill-o-meter and if more people there and people realize we kill more like the evil evil stalin like the old propoganda said. then theyll go join the counter revolution...

How can they get confused?
if u got friends or family that are opposite and u cant kill ur friends and family , atleast its hard to, they ll slowly brainwash ur brains
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:45 pm

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if u got friends or family that are opposite and u cant kill ur friends and family , atleast its hard to, they ll slowly brainwash ur brains

I've toldto my fascist and capitalist friends and family members that politically we're at a death duel. If they won't cooperate, no compassion from my part.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:43 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:


if u got friends or family that are opposite and u cant kill ur friends and family , atleast its hard to, they ll slowly brainwash ur brains

I've toldto my fascist and capitalist friends and family members that politically we're at a death duel. If they won't cooperate, no compassion from my part.
your part, but maybe not everybody, i wouldnt kill my friends if they dont mean the same as me, or if they oppisite me, even in hard times
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:48 pm

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Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:


if u got friends or family that are opposite and u cant kill ur friends and family , atleast its hard to, they ll slowly brainwash ur brains

I've toldto my fascist and capitalist friends and family members that politically we're at a death duel. If they won't cooperate, no compassion from my part.
your part, but maybe not everybody, i wouldnt kill my friends if they dont mean the same as me, or if they oppisite me, even in hard times
you shouldnt kill them. If they are violent thats different

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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:56 pm

Depends on the person, many of them can probably be educated, but some well, their a different story.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:04 pm

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Depends on the person, many of them can probably be educated, but some well, their a different story.
yea but its also hard to educate people when thers a revolution going on.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:20 pm

ummmh?

after the revolution?
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:37 am

You don't need to kill them unless they're disposed to give their lives to defend their capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: excaptialists   Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:25 am

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You don't need to kill them unless they're disposed to give their lives to defend their capitalism.
yea what I was trying to say.

what I meant by "but then thats a different story"

because they would be enemy soldiers, not people who disagree with us.
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