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PostSubject: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:48 am

I know a kid in highschool (Junior) hes been a "Marxist" since Freshman year...he really isn't like well-educated Communists, as in he can't debate for crap, but other kids are always being assholes to him. I try to leave him alone but alot of others bash him, every chance possible. I do beileve they beat him up before, also. (Terrible)

So my question and poll, is it hard being a communist in high school/in general when the public around you thinks totally differentely?
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:10 am

I think its hard since you acknowledge that the whole economic system that rules your actions is illegitimate, incorrect and needs to be changed. It's hard when you see that the majourity of teh world is suffering under poverty while some minorities enjoy great luxury at their expense, it's hard to see how blindfolded people are in regards to this system and other systems and how uneager they seem to be to even try something different. It's hard to be surrounded by so much hatred, competition, societal self-destruction...

In the personal sense, you learn to make it irrelevant in personal relationships unless in some way these relationships imply defying communist principles.

It's somewhat hard, but it gives its inmense rewards.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:18 am

the best thing about having comrades is that they will be your family. You know they would take a bullet for you. And im glad that we all stand up for our beliefes the way we do. If we get our ass's kicked oh well we will still be alive.

on the other hand like zealot said its hard seeing everything around you like it is and knowing that the majority of the bad things in life could be corrected. Also its hard when your family doesnt agree with you either

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:40 am

the majoraty of the ass holes in my school are the communists so I wun't theink they have a though time.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:21 am

Eh, debating has as much to do with will as it does with knowledge. Really, I don't mind introducing people to socialism, but debating a 'libertarian' (by which I mean authoritarian right) isn't worth the time. At all.
I have some friends who turned socialist after a friendly debate, mostly either De Leonist or syndicalist. Most of those lived in India and England though, here in Singapore everyone over here's already got the whole 'USSR were communist/socialist, socialism is total government control' thing hammered into them in History, and generally take a 'There Is No Alternative to capitalism' stance.
I brought up the definition of socialism after our history teacher gave us a worksheet about the differences between capitalism and communism (Cold War, it basically gave state control over everything as communism), but apparently socialism's never happened, and never could happen, so it's OK to call the USSR communist, and Cuba socialist. Still, people here are quite tolerant, so I don't get beat up for my beliefs.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:38 pm

I haven't found it too hard personally, but then my immediate family are reasonably left wing, and of course living in England rather than American probably makes a huge difference (after all the Labour Party reckons its socialist). Its quite suprising how open to it people are sometimes especially, in my experience, people who teach or study history, and several of my friends have parents who are socialists. So on a day-to-day level it is not that hard to live with since most people don't give me shit over it.

After that though I'd have to agree with Zealot.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:52 pm

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I haven't found it too hard personally, but then my immediate family are reasonably left wing, and of course living in England rather than American probably makes a huge difference (after all the Labour Party reckons its socialist).
It still considers itself socialist? It never was, but now...? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:12 pm

Well its always diffrent to what kids and what is the majorty, my majorty is...erm..nothing Razz
i try to convince mah friends to the Liberals, but they dont give a sh!t =[

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:24 pm

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Well its always diffrent to what kids and what is the majorty, my majorty is...erm..nothing Razz
i try to convince mah friends to the Liberals, but they dont give a sh!t =[

I don't even talk about politics in school. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:29 pm

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CoolKidX wrote:
Well its always diffrent to what kids and what is the majorty, my majorty is...erm..nothing Razz
i try to convince mah friends to the Liberals, but they dont give a sh!t =[

I don't even talk about politics in school. cheers

yeah school isn´t a good place to do that especaly when ppl don't give a shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:27 pm

I can't really say seeing I grew up in a Soviet satellite state, and my position was generally widely accepted by the teachers and partly some people, of course I didn't dare to criticism the state or Russia on account if I got a harsh beating Id be jumping in joy that that was the only thing I got.

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:09 pm

at my school people don't know much (at all) about politics.


they have no idea of what communism is except that its "bad" and claim they are in MS-13 but don't know that it was originally a revolutionary organization.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:14 pm

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...here in Singapore...

Singapore was completely overtaken by the imperialist US if I remember correctly, which is a reason why people are extremely poor over there and so broken. iamrite?

Anyways, it's pretty hard for me since nearly all my classmates do not care about the entire world. They think only in terms of "USA for the win". They don't see Russia or Japan literally dying off. They don't see Korea being divided over stupid reasons. They don't even see Africa and why they are dying off.

They only care about themselves and only them. They believe nothing can be changed because "human nature prevents it". What proof do they have? Exactly. They have NONE and it breaks my heart time to see them admit to give in the capitalist exploitation.

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:17 pm

Jeiro i tought you was against Japan cause there like the only(correct me if im wrong) rich country in South-East asia O.o
And that they are capatalistic.

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:23 pm

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Jeiro i tought you was against Japan cause there like the only(correct me if im wrong) rich country in South-East asia O.o
And that they are capatalistic.

I'm not against Japan completely. I love their people there but I DO feel a little bit angered at their stupid government and how easily the people are lead to believe that "IJA did nothing to Chinese, Koreans, Russians, etc etc". In fact, because of the reasons above, Japan itself is conforming to American beliefs and propaganda. Heck, Japan's government is exactly like American dogma. O_o It's sick and wrong to see a nearby neighbor subjected to that brainwashing, even if they are historical rivals.

They are literally dying off as a culture and people.

Oh and while communists are against capitalism itself, that doesn't mean they hate a country that is capitalistic. It simply means they want that country to see the error of ways and wake up to smell the roses.

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:57 am

Well what to expect from a country that's been stuck with USA for the whole cold war tongue

I like there culture and langage very much =3

But they never fully apologize to the ppl who worked at death camps from Japan =[
Something with honor or somethin.

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:01 am

they were like:

"what? what? invade Korea?, we only did it cause Germany was in our butt?"

and the US was like "what what in the butt?"

and Germany was like "You want to do it in my butt!? in my butt?!"
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:19 am

Lol yeah. Pretty much. I actually used to hate Japanese with a serious passion but my turning into the beliefs of communism helped change that. Of course, I'm still learning more everyday. The more I learn, the more I see the injustice of this stupid world and just how easily it can be changed for the better.

As for Japan apologizing...well...that'll NEVER happen as long as they are a US "ally". For example, US Congress "passed" a bill which told Japan to apologize and crap.

Guess what happened? Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:22 am

probably the bill "accidentally" got sent to Germany, and forced the to apologize (which they have done countless times, with out being asked), if you call some one a Nazi in Germany, you get thrown in jail, and the guards tell all the prisoners what you did, and you can probably guess what the prisoners do to you confused .
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:43 am

Jeiro Sijakeuigwan wrote:
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Jeiro i tought you was against Japan cause there like the only(correct me if im wrong) rich country in South-East asia O.o
And that they are capatalistic.

I'm not against Japan completely. I love their people there but I DO feel a little bit angered at their stupid government and how easily the people are lead to believe that "IJA did nothing to Chinese, Koreans, Russians, etc etc". In fact, because of the reasons above, Japan itself is conforming to American beliefs and propaganda. Heck, Japan's government is exactly like American dogma. O_o It's sick and wrong to see a nearby neighbor subjected to that brainwashing, even if they are historical rivals.

They are literally dying off as a culture and people.

Your right about the government covering up the fact that imperial japan did horrible things but that is not the peoples fault. Also they are not like a mini-america, they actually hold a great dissent for america. Remember america is occupying them and they dont like that. If you ever want to travel in the country dont say you are american becuase you will get shitty treatment, say you are canadian.

im not joking about that, guys from my dojo have travled to japan and that was there experience

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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:02 am

CoolKidX wrote:
Jeiro i tought you was against Japan cause there like the only(correct me if im wrong) rich country in South-East asia O.o
Japan is in South East Asia? Either way, there's also this dot named Singapore. Seriously, people here are shocked that construction workers might want somewhere to live.


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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:19 am

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It still considers itself socialist? It never was, but now...? Shocked

I know, its more right wing than ever and then ('95 i think) they change clause IV from:
"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

which is a rather beautiful sentance to this:

"The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect."

but I think that since Labour claims to be socialist and isn't rounding up conservatives and putting them in GULAG's (we can dream though can't we?), it makes life a bit easier to be a socialist/communist.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:47 pm

Do we seriously want Tony Blair associated with socialism? Seriously?
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:07 pm

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Do we seriously want Tony Blair associated with socialism? Seriously?

No serious socialist would, be sure of that.
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PostSubject: Re: Is It Hard Being A Communist?   Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:30 pm

lol

at first I thought you meant Tony Danza.

I was like...? that faggit.

the I was like

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh that Tony!
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