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Its nothing new.
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alittle scary.
19%
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average/other.
6%
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its a problem for US.
13%
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were all gunna die!
6%
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:02 am

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i think yes, but not as greatly affective.
yes, it is VERY unlikely people will be affected that severely.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:14 am

it is going to be as bad fiscally, just not practically, ie, no hoovervilles.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:11 pm

beatnikzach wrote:
it is going to be as bad fiscally, just not practically, ie, no hoovervilles.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwww man!

no hoovervilles!
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:13 pm

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may his noodly goodness bless us all.

I love this graph, really. And is a nice counter to mattis graph... but don't go on with OFF-topics..

mine showed crude oil so how dose this "counter" anything?
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:24 pm

We can now tread safely on the seas (except for the fact that the other day 5 people were taken hostage by pirates...)
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:38 pm

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We can now tread safely on the seas (except for the fact that the other day 5 people were taken hostage by pirates...)
lol off the coast OF somalia, imagen what would happen if afganistan was connected to sea???
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:52 am

i hate mattabest so much.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:55 am

I like him. He makes me laugh. Mostly because he pisses you all off so much.

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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:02 am

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I like him. He makes me laugh. Mostly because he pisses you all off so much.

He doesn't piss me off. Actually he's amazing, 90% of his posts show the way in which many capitalists think and act, he's just 13-14 years old but many keep acting like he does even well in their 40s which is hillarious.

But well this is off-topic.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:13 am

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Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I like him. He makes me laugh. Mostly because he pisses you all off so much.

He doesn't piss me off. Actually he's amazing, 90% of his posts show the way in which many capitalists think and act, he's just 13-14 years old but many keep acting like he does even well in their 40s which is hillarious.

But well this is off-topic.

yeah but he sucks

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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:33 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Tyrong Kojy wrote:
I like him. He makes me laugh. Mostly because he pisses you all off so much.

He doesn't piss me off. Actually he's amazing, 90% of his posts show the way in which many capitalists think and act, he's just 13-14 years old but many keep acting like he does even well in their 40s which is hillarious.

But well this is off-topic.
you need to learn to show respect, dont be aragant. it could be he got sad.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:50 pm

Mattbesta rules, and if only he is dumb in your eyes dosnt means there all, like RedSoviet hates homo's, so do ALL commies hate homosexual ppl?
I dont think so.

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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:55 pm

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you need to learn to show respect, dont be aragant. it could be he got sad.

I'm not arrogant. I'm convinced that most of the conviction in capitalism is either immature as it preserves traits like greed, competitiveness and conflictiveness and represents lack of knowledge, experience and understanding and as product of this most of this kind of capitalists come up with pretty weak and often snob argumentation expecting something similar from their opponents. Most capitalists by conviction that are mature and objective and that count with strong arguements are either persons who think exploitation is correct (for their own moral views) or have an idyllic view that capitalism could be used to get equality in the future. I used to be even worse than calinis by the age of these guys then I travelled around teh world, began to think in a critic way, got exposed to more information, matured and ended up a communist.

Mattabesta usually thinks that quoting a bestselling or reknowned author will give him strong arguements without even making a reflexion of his own or trying to understand by himself the context of the object of discussion in an act he calls "easy owning". He thinks we communists would recur to a similar tactic like our views were merely product of exposition to the ideas of mainstream socialist thinkers or even capitalists thinkers that have found a flaw or two in capitalism and have come with their own theories. That's a pretty snob way of thinking and snobism intrinsically leads to poor argumentation. That's how many capitalists act. At Mattabesta's age, given his experience and that he has got to still mature and develop more his knowledge and intelligence, it is perfectly understandable and that's why he doesn't piss me off, I think he in fact serves to prove some of my points much like calinis does.

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Mattbesta rules, and if only he is dumb in your eyes dosnt means there all, like RedSoviet hates homo's, so do ALL commies hate homosexual ppl?
I dont think so.

Mattabesta is not dumb. Not at all. He is a smart guy. He could be indifferent to politics, he could be indifferent towards his surroundings and that would be much closer to be dumb. He isn't. I'm just sayin g mattabesta still has got a lot to learn and that he uses very weak argumentation just as most capitalists do.

RedSoviet has many flaws, for an instance, like you, he also needs to improve his reading comprehension skills and his capabilities to express himself in english. Secondly, he's much of the type of "Russian communists" which focus more in the economic implications of communism rather than social freedoms also intrinsic to communism. So, while he is completely against the capitalist system, he considers homosexuality a disease a position he can barely defend. He's also a very proud person, it's hard for him to acknowledge when he commits a mistake. It happens to many of us. Still got much to learn, like all of us, and I think that he still got to modify some of his positions, but I still consider him a comrade.

But well, once again, this is going way off-topic. We could make a thread about this in Red Square or other place you may find suitable to talk about this.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:23 pm

beatnikzach wrote:
i hate mattabest so much.

how nice and your name is
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:39 am

don't you guys have any respect for your Icelanders!

any ways,

so yes

the US is knee deep in shit.

think it is a good time to strike? (jk Mr FBI man)
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:35 am

hahaha
its so amazing seeing etrade commercials now
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:13 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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you need to learn to show respect, dont be aragant. it could be he got sad.

I'm not arrogant. I'm convinced that most of the conviction in capitalism is either immature as it preserves traits like greed, competitiveness and conflictiveness and represents lack of knowledge, experience and understanding and as product of this most of this kind of capitalists come up with pretty weak and often snob argumentation expecting something similar from their opponents. Most capitalists by conviction that are mature and objective and that count with strong arguements are either persons who think exploitation is correct (for their own moral views) or have an idyllic view that capitalism could be used to get equality in the future. I used to be even worse than calinis by the age of these guys then I travelled around teh world, began to think in a critic way, got exposed to more information, matured and ended up a communist.
capitalism isn't the thing that makes ppl poor or sends ppl to the streets to die that's ppl not capitalism, it's not the systme no-one is telling corpret owners that they should fire X many ppl just for fun.

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Mattabesta usually thinks that quoting a bestselling or reknowned author will give him strong arguements without even making a reflexion of his own or trying to understand by himself the context of the object of discussion in an act he calls "easy owning". He thinks we communists would recur to a similar tactic like our views were merely product of exposition to the ideas of mainstream socialist thinkers or even capitalists thinkers that have found a flaw or two in capitalism and have come with their own theories. That's a pretty snob way of thinking and snobism intrinsically leads to poor argumentation. That's how many capitalists act. At Mattabesta's age, given his experience and that he has got to still mature and develop more his knowledge and intelligence, it is perfectly understandable and that's why he doesn't piss me off, I think he in fact serves to prove some of my points much like calinis does.
zelut why do you think 70% of what I say is something that is the most common thing on the internet? maybe becuse that's what most ppl say?
or that it's right and that's why it's in evry book, encyclopedia and person?

what zelut will say: cpitalist, westren media is confusing you snobish dumfuck communism is right becuse I thinks spo and capitalist media is barainwahshing evreybody.

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Mattabesta is not dumb. Not at all. He is a smart guy. He could be indifferent to politics, he could be indifferent towards his surroundings and that would be much closer to be dumb. He isn't. I'm just sayin g mattabesta still has got a lot to learn and that he uses very weak argumentation just as most capitalists do.

weak is what you decide for youself and since you dis agree no wonder you try to make me look dumb and republican(no argument)
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:03 pm

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capitalism isn't the thing that makes ppl poor or sends ppl to the streets to die that's ppl not capitalism, it's not the systme no-one is telling corpret owners that they should fire X many ppl just for fun.

I'm not arguing anythimg about this in the parragraph you quoted but well, let me explain you how it works: Owners fire workers either because they don't need them anymore (either they've found a technique that lets them prescind of the workers they've fired, or they simply think they can substitute workers with more pressure on less workers) or they simply can't afford having that ammount of workers either by economic crisises or thed fact that the company lost revenues. Another option is that owners may simply want to increase income and reduce expenditures.

This of course doesn't mean that the employed workers aren't being epxloited nonetheless.

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zelut why do you think 70% of what I say is something that is the most common thing on the internet? maybe becuse that's what most ppl say?
or that it's right and that's why it's in evry book, encyclopedia and person?

Actually what I'm saying is that you often quote mainstream authors without making a reflexion of your own thinking that will give some strength to your arguement. Else you also tend to quote mainstream opinions on subjects most people actually do not know much or don't have objective views meaning your arguements, based on those opinions or critiques will be weak. Being mainstream doesn't make it right.

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what zelut will say: cpitalist, westren media is confusing you snobish dumfuck communism is right becuse I thinks spo and capitalist media is barainwahshing evreybody.

See? I would never call you dumbfuck for an instance, second I wouldn't say western media is confusing, I'd simply say its biased and doesn't have the intention to objectively inform about a given subject and that it will often incurr in misinformation something that is quite factual. And not only western media, every capitalist media since they're one of the tools the ruling class uses to oppress the people.

Now, every person will think a given system is right or wrong depending on his personal view of how things should be. That means that for a peson who considers equality undersirable, who wants to exploit others and amass great material fortunes, communism is most undesirable a wrong system while for a person who is not interested in having great material fortunes, who doesn't need to exploit anybody and who desires to live in a cooperative society in which he can feel safe, comfortable and free, in an egalitary framework, then communism is most desirable.

A systems works or not depending on its objective and how effectively it m anages to achieve it. Capitalism and communism can both be right, they simply don't follow the same objectives. In no way it is capitalism's objective to create a general state of wellbeing nor is it to create a cooperative framework nor an egalitary framework while communism does have such objectives. Capitalism intrinsically implies exploitation while communism searches to eliminate it.

You can't reach communism's goals through capitalism and you can't reach capitalism's goals through communism. As simple as that.

So wether a system is right or wrong depends on the person's objectives and personal views on what is wrong and right. Capitalism doesn't serve my objectives nor it serves my convictions of what is right so for me it's wrong.

Communism is right for me because, according to my convictions and my personal concepts of what is wrong and right, communism serves to reate a healthy and workable society. It serves my objectives and aspirations.

Now, you can objectively argue wether a system is right or wrong by assuming the next position:

Is the system in question achieving its goals?

On that premise Communism is right because it can only exist given its success.

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weak is what you decide for youself and since you dis agree no wonder you try to make me look dumb and republican(no argument)

1. I don't try to make you look like a dumbfuck and I even emphazise it.
2. A republican? How the hell do I imply that?

Now, I don't decide what is weak and what is not. There is an objective way to determine when an argument is wrong. Let me give a couple of examples:

1. "USSR system was communism. USSR's system didn't work. Ergo communism doesn't work" - This is a weak argument. Why? Because it is based in the false idea that USSR's system was communism. The arguement, based on a false premise, becomes a phallacy itself.

2. "Communism's goals were to free workers from the poor conditions they had in the middle of the XIX century. Since those conditions don't exist anymore as workers have now broader access to health facilities, education and have farewell from the government which helps them develop. Communism is a XIX century ideology and the conditions it was created to extinguish don't exist anymore so it is nvalid now". - This is a weak argument for many reasons:

1. It is based on the false idea that communism's goals are limited to change the fact that workers did ave very poor conditions in thd XIX century. Communism has much broader implications. Communism searches for equality, for end of exploitation, for the dstruction of capital, for the destruction of state, for the implementation of a totally cooperative society, for everyone in this world to enjoy equal conditions and freedoms.
None of those implications has been met and if met they'd mean the instauration of communism. Therefore it's false to state communism's goals have been already achieved thus making the argument weak.

2. It is based on the false premise that workers' conditions have completely changed in comparison to the workers' conditions in XIX. For an instance, there is a universally appliable fact: workers, in spite of their conditions and country of origin are being exploited. It doesn't matter if a US mason is making 36 dollars per hour and a Mexican mine worker is making 5 dollars per day, both are being exploited since they're producing much more than they're receiving granting a profit to their boss. That is, the boss acquires profit at the expense of the worker, that is exploitation. Now, the premise that workers' conditions have greatly improved from XIX century to our days is not universally appliable. In a great ammount of countries working conditions are quite comparable, slighty better or even worse than in comparison to XIX century workers. Therefore the premise is false.

Being these two main premises for the aforementioned argument false, the argument becomes a phallacy and as such it is a weak argument.

It's not that I think the arguments are weak, they're weak for their nature as they're based on false premises. You see the difference?

That's an objective way to determine the weakness of a given argument and in which I base my argument that your arguments are weak.
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PostSubject: Re: US is falling...   Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:51 pm

ÚBER post will be answerd later reserving my post here.
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