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PostSubject: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:09 am

now I would like to make a point why I think communism is rubbish now plz don't call me a cappie asshole or say that's just wrong and present no counter argument( that's for you red soviet)

When karl marx was born europe didn't have a middel class there were insanly rich ppl and there were poor workers no wonder he suggested sucha radical thing like a rev the capitalsits then were posh motherefuckers that bought useless things for there hardship.
If it weren't for Karl marx outr world wun't be like it is today it would probably be worse the workers needed to be alerted and they were they went opn strikes refused to work and sometimes riots slowly forsing the capitalists( or what I would pefer to call owners) to give in better education, voting right and hospitals came the poor even grew rich enuf to buy thing from the capitalist and service wich is the foundation of western econamies. karl marx had a way to change society in 1840-70 but by WWI his theoryes were obselete in most westren econamies ppl were no longer workers moar ppl now work in banks that in factories. ppl have heath care can buy there own houses wich was a LOT less common then, laws reqier states to feed there ppl so noone relly starvs thw workers misson in westren ecopnmamies has been mostly complete the boundries beetwen the rich and poor are fading I mean Warren buffet the world richest man grew up in a middel class family a born rich person won't nessasaraly die rich and nor will a poor man stay so forever. communism still thinks the workersds are opressed by the mchene but today the machene IS the workers very few companyes are owned by one man and those men that own them aren't nessasaraly old gary haired snobbs like communists say.

The worker can't live witout the company but nithere can the company live witout the workere.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:33 am

I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:17 am

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I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.

Government?...

OP: I think you've once again illustrated the narrowness of your sight.

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When karl marx was born europe didn't have a middel class there were insanly rich ppl and there were poor workers no wonder he suggested sucha radical thing like a rev the capitalsits then were posh motherefuckers that bought useless things for there hardship.
If it weren't for Karl marx outr world wun't be like it is today it would probably be worse the workers needed to be alerted and they were they went opn strikes refused to work and sometimes riots slowly forsing the capitalists( or what I would pefer to call owners) to give in better education, voting right and hospitals came the poor even grew rich enuf to buy thing from the capitalist and service wich is the foundation of western econamies. karl marx had a way to change society in 1840-70

And here's about where you lose me, as well as logic.

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but by WWI his theoryes were obselete in most westren econamies ppl were no longer workers moar ppl now work in banks that in factories.

Okay, so Marx's theory of the evolution of capitalism was wrong, to an extent, but you're overlooking the effect of advanced capitalism on other, less advanced nations (Something Marx didn't forsee either). So while you can say Marx was wrong, the most advanced capitalist nations do not have one impoverished class and one insanely rich class, you cannot deny (well) the impact that America's (or any capitalist nation) imperialistic ventures have had on developing nations.

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ppl have heath care can buy there own houses wich was a LOT less common then, laws reqier states to feed there ppl so noone relly starvs thw workers misson in westren ecopnmamies has been mostly complete the boundries beetwen the rich and poor are fading I mean Warren buffet the world richest man grew up in a middel class family a born rich person won't nessasaraly die rich and nor will a poor man stay so forever.

I can't believe you all continue to use these minute, isolated examples of a person escaping his/her class, as if it's a common occurance, or in any way attainable for the masses of people in poverty (Someone's still gotta produce. We can't all be business owners, for what should be obvious reasons).

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communism still thinks the workersds are opressed by the mchene but today the machene IS the workers very few companyes are owned by one man and those men that own them aren't nessasaraly old gary haired snobbs like communists say.

And yet they are still paid a dime on the dollar for the wealth they produce. I mean, if i was in control of the machine, i would pay myself more. So i think it's pretty obvious who controls the machince (because as we all know, the free market is never really free. It's manipulated like a puppet).

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The worker can't live witout the company

That is so deep. You really don't give your writings any thought, do you? How do you think people got along before the human mind convinced itself (Or was it the enduring of endless torture?) of the authority of corporations(Or rather, economic authority, since it didn't go straight from freedom to corporations)?

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but nithere can the company live witout the workere.

Phew, that was the first coherent thing you've said in quite some lines. So why is there still the existence of this one way relationship? I'd say it was the way the people were torn from there land with force (And thus, were no longer independant and free), then told that if they tried to take any of it back, or refuse to hand over the fruits of their labour, they'd be tortured in a plethora of ways. And i'd bet it also has something to do with this promise of violence being fulfilled, over and over and over again until the people finally submitted. "And they lived happily ever after", is how that cappie bed-time story ends.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:13 am

Anarchist.Dagger made us the favour to take the time to destroy your narrow view mattie so I will procede with what I think also relevant to the topic:

Marxism isn't a dogma that rules communism. Is not like Marx wrote a communist bible and we blindly follow what he says. We analize his theories, the theories of many others, gather information and analyse contexts. We're constantly analysing our context in a critical way. That's the core from which our ideas and views come from which will be enriched by the perceptions of others.

We know what communism stands for and we fight for that. As simple as that.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:14 pm

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I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.

yea but the goverment dosn't do it as well becuse there aim isn't profit.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:20 pm

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Anarchist.Dagger made us the favour to take the time to destroy your narrow view mattie so I will procede with what I think also relevant to the topic:

Marxism isn't a dogma that rules communism. Is not like Marx wrote a communist bible and we blindly follow what he says. We analize his theories, the theories of many others, gather information and analyse contexts. We're constantly analysing our context in a critical way. That's the core from which our ideas and views come from which will be enriched by the perceptions of others.

We know what communism stands for and we fight for that. As simple as that.

but my point is that communisms main theoryes were creted over a hundred years ago when there were no hospitals, unenployment beifit disabillytiy beifit, state housing and no pensions and not schools for evrybody llife sucked for the workers then it dosn't now I mean poor were like over half of the pop in the industyal rev but now they are just about 10% even those aren't nearly as poor as during the industyal rev I mean there aren't a lot of ppl starving in the street?

point is that communism original goals of freeing the workere is pretty much complete the classes aren't bound, you don't have to be poor just becuse you were born poor.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:54 pm

Good point Matt.

But if you see there's becoming a more less diffrence between poor and rich(Look at China), also a man dostn need to have a job from a company, he can start 1 himslef.

And in my country fro an adult of 30, you cant be fired by saying YOUR FIRED, or how i call it: the Amrican way.

Sometimes a guy can be fired but he needs to wait 6 months.

Its easier to quit if you dont like it.

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:29 pm

Anarchist.Dagger wrote:
Liche wrote:
I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.

Government?...

OP: I think you've once again illustrated the narrowness of your sight.

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When karl marx was born europe didn't have a middel class there were insanly rich ppl and there were poor workers no wonder he suggested sucha radical thing like a rev the capitalsits then were posh motherefuckers that bought useless things for there hardship.
If it weren't for Karl marx outr world wun't be like it is today it would probably be worse the workers needed to be alerted and they were they went opn strikes refused to work and sometimes riots slowly forsing the capitalists( or what I would pefer to call owners) to give in better education, voting right and hospitals came the poor even grew rich enuf to buy thing from the capitalist and service wich is the foundation of western econamies. karl marx had a way to change society in 1840-70

And here's about where you lose me, as well as logic.

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but by WWI his theoryes were obselete in most westren econamies ppl were no longer workers moar ppl now work in banks that in factories.

Okay, so Marx's theory of the evolution of capitalism was wrong, to an extent, but you're overlooking the effect of advanced capitalism on other, less advanced nations (Something Marx didn't forsee either). So while you can say Marx was wrong, the most advanced capitalist nations do not have one impoverished class and one insanely rich class, you cannot deny (well) the impact that America's (or any capitalist nation) imperialistic ventures have had on developing nations.

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ppl have heath care can buy there own houses wich was a LOT less common then, laws reqier states to feed there ppl so noone relly starvs thw workers misson in westren ecopnmamies has been mostly complete the boundries beetwen the rich and poor are fading I mean Warren buffet the world richest man grew up in a middel class family a born rich person won't nessasaraly die rich and nor will a poor man stay so forever.

I can't believe you all continue to use these minute, isolated examples of a person escaping his/her class, as if it's a common occurance, or in any way attainable for the masses of people in poverty (Someone's still gotta produce. We can't all be business owners, for what should be obvious reasons).

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communism still thinks the workersds are opressed by the mchene but today the machene IS the workers very few companyes are owned by one man and those men that own them aren't nessasaraly old gary haired snobbs like communists say.

And yet they are still paid a dime on the dollar for the wealth they produce. I mean, if i was in control of the machine, i would pay myself more. So i think it's pretty obvious who controls the machince (because as we all know, the free market is never really free. It's manipulated like a puppet).

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The worker can't live witout the company

That is so deep. You really don't give your writings any thought, do you? How do you think people got along before the human mind convinced itself (Or was it the enduring of endless torture?) of the authority of corporations(Or rather, economic authority, since it didn't go straight from freedom to corporations)?

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but nithere can the company live witout the workere.

Phew, that was the first coherent thing you've said in quite some lines. So why is there still the existence of this one way relationship? I'd say it was the way the people were torn from there land with force (And thus, were no longer independant and free), then told that if they tried to take any of it back, or refuse to hand over the fruits of their labour, they'd be tortured in a plethora of ways. And i'd bet it also has something to do with this promise of violence being fulfilled, over and over and over again until the people finally submitted. "And they lived happily ever after", is how that cappie bed-time story ends.

isolated, wtf dude he is the richest man in the world and he "escaped" if he could then why not millions of otheres( the qeastionmark button is lost I am using a mac)
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:42 pm

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but my point is that communisms main theoryes were creted over a hundred years ago when there were no hospitals, unenployment beifit disabillytiy beifit, state housing and no pensions and not schools for evrybody llife sucked for the workers then it dosn't now I mean poor were like over half of the pop in the industyal rev but now they are just about 10% even those aren't nearly as poor as during the industyal rev I mean there aren't a lot of ppl starving in the street?

Maybe in your happy niceland, USA and in most of the Empires of the world which ammount themselves to a 10-15% of the population. And if your countries have achieved that wellbeing, which of course is not enough, is because they exploit other countries, the countries that are poor now.

Hadn't it been for that commercial and imperial conquest your countries wouldn't enjoy that well being. That's why there exists a G-7 and a NATO and a UN.

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point is that communism original goals of freeing the workere is pretty much complete the classes aren't bound, you don't have to be poor just becuse you were born poor.

Tell that to a person who doesn't know what a computer is, who has no access to education and that has to live by the day.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:47 pm

I don't think Iceland exploids countries -.-

Maybe not right, but any examples ?

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:19 pm

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mattabesta wrote:




but my point is that communisms main theoryes were creted over a hundred years ago when there were no hospitals, unenployment beifit disabillytiy beifit, state housing and no pensions and not schools for evrybody llife sucked for the workers then it dosn't now I mean poor were like over half of the pop in the industyal rev but now they are just about 10% even those aren't nearly as poor as during the industyal rev I mean there aren't a lot of ppl starving in the street?

Maybe in your happy niceland, USA and in most of the Empires of the world which ammount themselves to a 10-15% of the population. And if your countries have achieved that wellbeing, which of course is not enough, is because they exploit other countries, the countries that are poor now.

Hadn't it been for that commercial and imperial conquest your countries wouldn't enjoy that well being. That's why there exists a G-7 and a NATO and a UN.

mattabesta wrote:

point is that communism original goals of freeing the workere is pretty much complete the classes aren't bound, you don't have to be poor just becuse you were born poor.

Tell that to a person who doesn't know what a computer is, who has no access to education and that has to live by the day.

iceland exploiting othere cuntries, lol we cunt exploit oursefs

nato was an a lliance against the SU
UN is here to stop wars wich it has acheved
G-8 is usless organasiation wich is only fo show
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:33 pm

Liche wrote:
I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.
wait what???

Also there was a middle class back then, in fact Marx and Engels were both neither poor nor rich. And with Marx's writings its like a building block. Most people arnt just marxist. Like i am a marxist/leninist becuase lenin advanced on marx's base

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:32 pm

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I don't think Iceland exploids countries -.-

Maybe not right, but any examples ?


USA, Japan, Germany, France, Italy and Spain are main exploiters. Sweden and Finland are secondary exploiters.
Niceland provides with food, aluminium and energy those Primary and Secondary exploiters. So, while Niceland doesn't thrive directly on exploiting other countries, it benefits from the direct benefit primary and secondary exploiters get from other countries making Iceland a country that indirectly benefits from the exploitation of other countries.

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iceland exploiting othere cuntries, lol we cunt exploit oursefs

Point covered above.

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nato was an a lliance against the SU
Nice mainstream excuse, but not real. NATO is used to defend the interests of the most prominent members of it so that tehy can have strategic points covered, buffer zones and foreign cannon fodder.

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UN is here to stop wars wich it has acheved
You're not being serious are you?
1. Korea war: UN not only didn't stop the war, it intervented in behalf of US making of UN forces a bunch of cannon fodder. Neutral position? No, it was a biased position towards US in practice.
2. Suez Canal Crisis: Did UN intervene achieving solution to the conflict? No, it was USSRs intervention that ended the conflict.
3. Indochina (Vietnam): Did UN intervent and prevented bloodshed? No. French were fortunately expelled from Vietnam.
4. Vietnam War: Did UN intervent prfeventing the conflict? No. It was one of the bloodiest armed conflicts mankind has seen and UN didn't do anything. UN assumed a biased position in favour of US by indiference.
5. Six Days War: Did UN take preventive measures against arab nations planning to atack Israel? Did UN prevent Israel from launching a preemptive strike on the Arab nations? No.
6. Israel-Palestinian conflict: One of the best examples that UN is a joke.
7. Yom Kippur War: Did UN put an end to the conflict? No.
8. Israeli Operations in Lebanon: Did UN prevent bloodshed? No.
9. Iran-Iraq War: Did UN prevent Iran and Iraq to go into war? No. Did it prevent US from asisting Iraq? No.
10. Malvinas War: Did UN prevent bloodshed? No.
11. Civil War in Afghanistan: Did UN mediate a solution? Did UN prevent or tried to prevent any bloodshed? No.
12. Soviet Invation of Afghanistan: Did UN intervent to mediate an end to the conflict? No.
13. Wars throughout the African continent: Too extensive list of ongoing conflicts UN has done nothing to solve.
14. US bombardment of Tripoli: Did UN prevent it?
15. US operation in Granada: Did UN prevent it?
16. Iraqi invation of Kuwait: Did UN prevent it? No.
17. Coallition (NATO and friends) invation of Iraq: Did UN prevent it? No.
18. Civil Wars in Yugoslavia: Did UN prevent them? No.
19. Pakistan-India wars: Did UN prevent them? No.
20. NATO bombardment and invation of Serbia: Did UN prevent it? No.
21. US invation of Afghanistan: Did UN intervent to prevent bloodshed? No.
22. 1st and 2nd Chechen Wars: Did UN intervent preventing bloodshed to Occur? No.
23. Iraq War: Prime example of UN's lack of use in these cases. UN declared it illegal openly yet it did absolutely nothing to pevent it. No casus belli no authorization from UN and UN did nothing. Blooshed is ongoing.
24. South Ossetia War: Did UN prevent Georgia from attacking South Ossetia? Did UN prevent bloodshed in any way? No.

24 main examples some that could be but weren't subdivided. Millions of deaths, millions of affected lives. You say UN achieved its goal of preventing this to happen, facts show the opposite.

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G-8 is usless organasiation wich is only fo show

G-8 is a stupidity.

G-7 is the group of nations that run the show.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:44 pm

G-7

I bet you mean whitout Russia, am i rite?

Anyways i dont think U.N is the best either, anyways i dnt see Youglasvia, or am i wrong in your list?(maybe overread it).

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:16 pm

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G-7

I bet you mean whitout Russia, am i rite?

Yes, you're right.

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Anyways i dont think U.N is the best either, anyways i dnt see Youglasvia, or am i wrong in your list?(maybe overread it).
You overread it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:13 am

mononokifool wrote:
Liche wrote:
I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.
wait what???

Also there was a middle class back then, in fact Marx and Engels were both neither poor nor rich. And with Marx's writings its like a building block. Most people arnt just marxist. Like i am a marxist/leninist becuase lenin advanced on marx's base

god my point was that the wast majoraty was eithere pretty well off or almost dieing and to publish or write a book you need to be pretty well off
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:15 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
I don't think Iceland exploids countries -.-

Maybe not right, but any examples ?


USA, Japan, Germany, France, Italy and Spain are main exploiters. Sweden and Finland are secondary exploiters.
Niceland provides with food, aluminium and energy those Primary and Secondary exploiters. So, while Niceland doesn't thrive directly on exploiting other countries, it benefits from the direct benefit primary and secondary exploiters get from other countries making Iceland a country that indirectly benefits from the exploitation of other countries.

mattabesta wrote:
iceland exploiting othere cuntries, lol we cunt exploit oursefs

Point covered above.



I get it now zelut is confusing trade with explotation.

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


mattabesta wrote:

UN is here to stop wars wich it has acheved
You're not being serious are you?
1. Korea war: UN not only didn't stop the war, it intervented in behalf of US making of UN forces a bunch of cannon fodder. Neutral position? No, it was a biased position towards US in practice.
2. Suez Canal Crisis: Did UN intervene achieving solution to the conflict? No, it was USSRs intervention that ended the conflict.
3. Indochina (Vietnam): Did UN intervent and prevented bloodshed? No. French were fortunately expelled from Vietnam.
4. Vietnam War: Did UN intervent prfeventing the conflict? No. It was one of the bloodiest armed conflicts mankind has seen and UN didn't do anything. UN assumed a biased position in favour of US by indiference.
5. Six Days War: Did UN take preventive measures against arab nations planning to atack Israel? Did UN prevent Israel from launching a preemptive strike on the Arab nations? No.
6. Israel-Palestinian conflict: One of the best examples that UN is a joke.
7. Yom Kippur War: Did UN put an end to the conflict? No.
8. Israeli Operations in Lebanon: Did UN prevent bloodshed? No.
9. Iran-Iraq War: Did UN prevent Iran and Iraq to go into war? No. Did it prevent US from asisting Iraq? No.
10. Malvinas War: Did UN prevent bloodshed? No.
11. Civil War in Afghanistan: Did UN mediate a solution? Did UN prevent or tried to prevent any bloodshed? No.
12. Soviet Invation of Afghanistan: Did UN intervent to mediate an end to the conflict? No.
13. Wars throughout the African continent: Too extensive list of ongoing conflicts UN has done nothing to solve.
14. US bombardment of Tripoli: Did UN prevent it?
15. US operation in Granada: Did UN prevent it?
16. Iraqi invation of Kuwait: Did UN prevent it? No.
17. Coallition (NATO and friends) invation of Iraq: Did UN prevent it? No.
18. Civil Wars in Yugoslavia: Did UN prevent them? No.
19. Pakistan-India wars: Did UN prevent them? No.
20. NATO bombardment and invation of Serbia: Did UN prevent it? No.
21. US invation of Afghanistan: Did UN intervent to prevent bloodshed? No.
22. 1st and 2nd Chechen Wars: Did UN intervent preventing bloodshed to Occur? No.
23. Iraq War: Prime example of UN's lack of use in these cases. UN declared it illegal openly yet it did absolutely nothing to pevent it. No casus belli no authorization from UN and UN did nothing. Blooshed is ongoing.
24. South Ossetia War: Did UN prevent Georgia from attacking South Ossetia? Did UN prevent bloodshed in any way? No.

24 main examples some that could be but weren't subdivided. Millions of deaths, millions of affected lives. You say UN achieved its goal of preventing this to happen, facts show the opposite.



ok they have the "objective" of preventing wars n shit but they don't exacly have a good trac record.

Edit: Mattabesta, quote just what you're going to use and don't double post.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:25 am

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I get it now zelut is confusing trade with explotation.

No, I'm calling explotation what it is.

Countries like Mexico, Argentina, Brasil Colombia, Poland, Slovakia etc. report inmense benefits to countries like USA, Japan and Germany aside from the fact that the commercial balance is in favour of them. You get Japan putting a bunch of car assembly facilities and distributors, each car sold in those countries will report inmense incomes for Japan even though the cars were built in those countries.

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ok they have the "objective" of preventing wars n shit but they don't exacly have a good trac record.

You said they achieved their objective, I really don't see how.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:52 am

ahhh,

you really think I am narrow minded

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:11 am

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Liche wrote:
I think you mean, a worker can not live with out A JOB!

and in capitalism, companies make the jobs, whilst in communism, the government makes the jobs.
wait what???

Also there was a middle class back then, in fact Marx and Engels were both neither poor nor rich. And with Marx's writings its like a building block. Most people arnt just marxist. Like i am a marxist/leninist becuase lenin advanced on marx's base

god my point was that the wast majoraty was eithere pretty well off or almost dieing and to publish or write a book you need to be pretty well off
Even so Marx's stuff is still, for the most part, good for today. Not much has changed in all reality

And liche there is no government in communism

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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:57 pm

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I get it now zelut is confusing trade with explotation.

No, I'm calling explotation what it is.

Countries like Mexico, Argentina, Brasil Colombia, Poland, Slovakia etc. report inmense benefits to countries like USA, Japan and Germany aside from the fact that the commercial balance is in favour of them. You get Japan putting a bunch of car assembly facilities and distributors, each car sold in those countries will report inmense incomes for Japan even though the cars were built in those countries.

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ok they have the "objective" of preventing wars n shit but they don't exacly have a good trac record.

You said they achieved their objective, I really don't see how.

I did say that they had aceved it but I really was just thinking the leaug of nations. wich also failed misrably.

yea zelut that is still trade
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:02 pm

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I did say that they had aceved it but I really was just thinking the leaug of nations. wich also failed misrably.

So, you admit you were wrong.

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yea zelut that is still trade

If trade, it is unbalanced trade which is one way of exploitation.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:16 pm

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I did say that they had aceved it but I really was just thinking the leaug of nations. wich also failed misrably.

So, you admit you were wrong.

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yea zelut that is still trade

If trade, it is unbalanced trade which is one way of exploitation.
well trade can be unbalced but usally that's becuse one personneeds one thing moar than the othere so it's not really unbalnced or eles there wun't be trade but sometimes companies own factories or mines n shit in cuntries and they export that so not relly "trade"

I alredy have zelut you just don't relaise it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:12 pm

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well trade can be unbalced but usally that's becuse one personneeds one thing moar than the othere so it's not really unbalnced or eles there wun't be trade but sometimes companies own factories or mines n shit in cuntries and they export that so not relly "trade"

It can be argued that when a foreign company owns factories and stores in a given country they're trading their product and "work" for money. Yet those are investments and as investments are designed to report benefits to the owner nation. The owner nation thus exploits the nation in which its factories and stores exist.

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I alredy have zelut you just don't relaise it.
Just confirming.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850's and karl marxes time.   Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:46 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:

well trade can be unbalced but usally that's becuse one personneeds one thing moar than the othere so it's not really unbalnced or eles there wun't be trade but sometimes companies own factories or mines n shit in cuntries and they export that so not relly "trade"

It can be argued that when a foreign company owns factories and stores in a given country they're trading their product and "work" for money. Yet those are investments and as investments are designed to report benefits to the owner nation. The owner nation thus exploits the nation in which its factories and stores exist.

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I alredy have zelut you just don't relaise it.
Just confirming.

what do you mean icelandic companies have factories in the us, denmark, norway, UK, irealnd canade and russia so ICELAND is exploiting the US?
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