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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 4:53 am

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http://www.anti-communism.net/

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What a pile of crap. If I was a good enough hacker I'd do my best to take it down.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 4:57 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Hutin wrote:
http://www.anti-communism.net/

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What a pile of crap. If I was a good enough hacker I'd do my best to take it down.

Typical...
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 4:59 am

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Typical...

What's typical?
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 5:00 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Typical...

What's typical?

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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 5:17 am

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nvm

Now this is typical, an evasive.

You of course implied that "it's the typical censorship of freedom of speech".

However, there is a gap between allowing freedom of speech and allowing:

1. Capitalization of human deaths for political purposes.
2. Slander to achieve those political purposes.
3. Use of phallacies based on said capitalization of human lives.

Things like the Holodomor have been extensively analysed by specialists word wide and there is not a consensus that it was an artificially made starvation with the intention to kill a specific population. Of course, the conclusions that it was a Genocide against the Ukrainian population can be reached by simply disregarding great part of the whole context. This is greatly used for political objectives of right-wing parties who would do whatever they could to throw more dirt on communism.

The simple start of that page is a phallacy: It accuses communism of 100 million of deaths when:

1. Communism has never been implemented on a large scale.
2. Said accusations are based with total disregard for the context in which they occured and are conveniently mixed with deaths from causes not linked in any way to th systems accused to increase the drammatcis effects this propaganda may have.
3. Many of such claims are based on dubious or even nil evidence and in many cases for disregard even to logic (going to as far as saying that Stalin killed 100 million people in a 184 million population country meaning that out of 6 soviets 3 were killed and no one noticed).
4. The systems accused of such murders where another variation of capitalism, meaning that if those deaths could be attached to an economic system, it would be capitalism.

That site and many others of the same kind use photographies of the Jewish holocaust and say they're victims of either Holodomor or 1945 Soviet concentration camps in Poland.

However, it is enough just to point out that such sites are misinformative, once again, for this simple reason: they accuse communism of millions of claimed deaths when communism hasn't even been implemented on a large scale.

Having solved that controversy, those sites lose their right to exist but as examples of capitalist misinformation campaings.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 12:00 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
However, there is a gap between allowing freedom of speech and allowing:

1. Capitalization of human deaths for political purposes.
2. Slander to achieve those political purposes.
3. Use of phallacies based on said capitalization of human lives.
Not really.

Also, the whole 100 million deaths crap is bullshit. Stalin wasn't a communist anyways, but most deaths at the time in so-called 'communist' countries were from famine and such, and people who evacuated to the US probably just told the people that received them what they wanted to hear in terms of deaths. You could blame the famine on the 'commies', but everyone that's played Red Alert 2 knows that controlling the weather is an Allied power.

Oh, and the site in the OP is pretty nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 2:23 pm

Stos wrote:

Not really.

Maybe not, but it's healthier to shut them up, and to do so arguements must be given.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 2:27 pm

They're allowed to say it, we're allowed to refute it.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 2:34 pm

[quote=\"Stos\"]They\'re allowed to say it, we\'re allowed to refute it.[/quote]

The problem may be the implications of it remaining for a time without rebuttal.

Many people stubbornly buy what those sites say and hardly take into account rebuttal arguements.


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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 2:34 pm

Stos if a country never has been communist, how can you know it can work??
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeSun Sep 28, 2008 2:35 pm

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Stos if a country never has been communist, how can you know it can work??

Out of sheer logic.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 1:05 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
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Stos if a country never has been communist, how can you know it can work??

Out of sheer logic.

I think it will work if they are genetically modified individuals, who have no temptations, greed, ignorance, etc.

Or maybe if it was a society of robots or super intelligent humanoids.

Socialism can work easily though.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 1:12 am

Society of Robots..sounds good, there programmed NOT to f**k up...awsome
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 1:17 am

Liche wrote:

I think it will work if they are genetically modified individuals, who have no temptations, greed, ignorance, etc.

Or maybe if it was a society of robots or super intelligent humanoids.

Socialism can work easily though.

Yeah, like we communists are genetically engineered not to be greedy.

Ignorance is not product of poor intelligence but of lack of knowledge. It's important to make a difference between the two.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 10:58 am

Liche wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
Stos if a country never has been communist, how can you know it can work??

Out of sheer logic.

I think it will work if they are genetically modified individuals, who have no temptations, greed, ignorance, etc.

Or maybe if it was a society of robots or super intelligent humanoids.
That only applies to the World Socialists. Also to the 'everybody shares and is happy with no authority!' anarchists.
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PostSubject: Re: Nice site   Nice site Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 5:33 pm

Just thought I'd hit you up with an interesting link on the whole Holodomor thing:

http://www.as.wvu.edu/history/Faculty/Tauger/Tauger,%20Chapter%20for%20Roter%20Holocaust%20book%20b.pdf

Not entirely relevant but quite revealing.

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That only applies to the World Socialists. Also to the 'everybody shares and is happy with no authority!' anarchists.

Ohhh harsh. Admittedly I'm not one of them but they certainly don't deserve lumping in with those anarchists. After all, at least the World Socialists maintain that you can end scarcity, on the same question I once saw an anarchist argue that they'd impose rationing on themselves.
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