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PostSubject: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:17 am

im not going to post a political profile because i dont have permission for that forum but i had about 5 people tell me i wasn't a national socialist so (For people who read my posts) what do you think i am?

if you have any questions before answering just ask ~ thanks Smile
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:16 am

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im not going to post a political profile because i dont have permission for that forum but i had about 5 people tell me i wasn't a national socialist so (For people who read my posts) what do you think i am?

if you have any questions before answering just ask ~ thanks Smile

You're so far to me a segregationist.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:44 am

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You're so far to me a segregationist.

Is that political ideaology or just segregation?
im still authorian right-wing too, im guessing?
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:45 am

ya your still authoritarian right wing
maybe
social nationalist?
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:50 am

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ya your still authoritarian right wing
maybe
social nationalist?

never heard of it? time for google..wikipedia ain't really the best choice though
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:37 pm

So far all I have read from you are segregationist ideas.

What's your position on how economy should be managed?
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:37 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
So far all I have read from you are segregationist ideas.

What's your position on how economy should be managed?

what do you mean?
Free market = yes,
give me some examples of questions that might help me out if you can
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:59 am

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what do you mean?
Free market = yes,
give me some examples of questions that might help me out if you can

So you believe in no intervention by the state in economics?

Do you believe the state should protect private property?
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:01 am

Fascism is against capitalism, you know.

Check our your hero's economic policies (although I dont know why anyone with half a brain and common decency would think of him as a hero)
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:16 am

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Fascism is against capitalism, you know.

This is an absolute phallacy.

calinis wrote:

Check our your hero's economic policies (although I dont know why anyone with half a brain and common decency would think of him as a hero)
Hitler implemented a moderated social capitalism within Germany greatly at the expense of other nations.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:54 am

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So you believe in no intervention by the state in economics?

Do you believe the state should protect private property?

Well the state should intervein if the economy is going to shit. Otherwise they should keep their nose out of it.

yes. i do not want to abolish private property
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:46 am

"Nevertheless, fascists did have a number of important political views that shaped many of their economic decisions. The first of these was the fundamental fascist opposition to both socialism and liberal capitalism. Fascists argued that the implementation of their ideas into the economic sphere would represent a "third way", and they favoured corporatism and class collaboration. They believed that the existence of inequality and separate social classes was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists)[10], but they also argued that the state had a role in mediating relations between these classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[11]"

Fascist view on economics. It clearly states that it equally an opponent of capitalist as it is of socialist economics.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:56 am

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"Nevertheless, fascists did have a number of important political views that shaped many of their economic decisions. The first of these was the fundamental fascist opposition to both socialism and liberal capitalism. Fascists argued that the implementation of their ideas into the economic sphere would represent a "third way", and they favoured corporatism and class collaboration. They believed that the existence of inequality and separate social classes was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists)[10], but they also argued that the state had a role in mediating relations between these classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[11]"

Fascist view on economics. It clearly states that it equally an opponent of capitalist as it is of socialist economics.
you should take a look at giovannni gentile.
i will quote him, he is the karl marx of fascism.
"the true name of fascism should be corpratism, for it blends corparte and state power."
btw wiki fails
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:05 am

Then that's against free market capitalism because free market capitalism runs freely, as in the power of supply and demand regulate prices without state intervention.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:45 am

its called free market dictatorship.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:11 am

LOL free market dictatorship? That's not what fascism is. That's Pinochet's dictatorship, not Mussolini or Hitler's.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:16 am

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That's Pinochet's dictatorship, not Mussolini or Hitler's.

Mind you, Pinochet was fully SUPPORTED and BACKED by the US military and given CIA training to torture and murder dissents against US in the MOST horrific of ways. I would even have to say even more horrific than Imperialist Japan or Nazi Germany.

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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:22 am

Not even close to as horrific as imperalist Japan or Nazi Germany, but whatever. it doesnt matter. It was still bad.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:23 am

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LOL free market dictatorship? That's not what fascism is. That's Pinochet's dictatorship, not Mussolini or Hitler's.
yes it is, if you fucking read anything by giovanni gentile you would know.
btw look at my post about operation condor if you want to talk about pinochet
hitler wasnt fascist.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:29 am

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Not even close to as horrific as imperalist Japan or Nazi Germany, but whatever. it doesnt matter. It was still bad.

Pinochet was backed by your "holy savior USA" with full military support to repress the people of Chile. As in tanks, guns, chemical weapons, bio weapons, police and military training regimes, prison systems, and finally, torture methods. Extremely CREUL torture methods that the US most likely learned from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

AKA Operation Condor.

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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:33 am

"Gentile "…holds the honor of having been the most rigorous neo–Hegelian in the entire history of Western philosophy and the dishonor of having been the official philosopher of Fascism in Italy."[4] His philosophical basis for fascism was rooted in his understanding of ontology and epistemology, in which he found vindication for the rejection of individualism, acceptance of collectivism, with the state as the ultimate location of authority and loyalty to which the individual found in the conception of individuality no meaning outside of the state (which in turn justified totalitarianism)."

Uh doesnt seem like free market capitalism to me. Sounds more like communism to me. Capitalism embraces the individual above the collective and encourages individuality. However, fascism does not. Free market capitalism runs contrary to the basis of a strong state. Fascism is about the blind obidience to the state. That is not capitalism! Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's germany were not capitalist, and yes Hitler was fascist.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:36 am

What...? I was talking about Pinochet and his "democractic" state (let's face it, with the state there is NO democracy) backed up by the entire armed forces and finicanes of the United States. Hitler and Mussiolini have NOTHING to do with this.

And Hitler WAS capitalist. Ever wonder WHY he actually KEPT the German people so freaking happy that they were completely ignorant until the end?

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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:44 am

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calinis wrote:
Not even close to as horrific as imperalist Japan or Nazi Germany, but whatever. it doesnt matter. It was still bad.

Pinochet was backed by your "holy savior USA" with full military support to repress the people of Chile. As in tanks, guns, chemical weapons, bio weapons, police and military training regimes, prison systems, and finally, torture methods. Extremely CREUL torture methods that the US most likely learned from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

AKA Operation Condor.
exactly.
btw, calinis never is going to read it.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:58 am

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"Gentile "…holds the honor of having been the most rigorous neo–Hegelian in the entire history of Western philosophy and the dishonor of having been the official philosopher of Fascism in Italy."[4] His philosophical basis for fascism was rooted in his understanding of ontology and epistemology, in which he found vindication for the rejection of individualism, acceptance of collectivism, with the state as the ultimate location of authority and loyalty to which the individual found in the conception of individuality no meaning outside of the state (which in turn justified totalitarianism)."

Uh doesnt seem like free market capitalism to me. Sounds more like communism to me. Capitalism embraces the individual above the collective and encourages individuality. However, fascism does not. Free market capitalism runs contrary to the basis of a strong state. Fascism is about the blind obidience to the state. That is not capitalism! Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's germany were not capitalist, and yes Hitler was fascist.
quit pulling shit off of wikipedia dude, you dont seem smart you just look like a pseudo intellect.
let me quote gentile for you.

Both Fascism and nationalism regard the State as the foundation of all rights and the source of all values in the individuals composing it. For the one as for the other the State is not a consequence -- it is a principle. But in the case of nationalism, the relation which individualistic liberalism, and for that matter socialism also, assumed between individual and State is inverted. Since the State is a principle, the individual becomes a consequence -- he is something which finds an antecedent in the State: the State limits him and determines his manner of existence, restricting his freedom, binding him to a piece of ground whereon lie was born, whereon he must live and will die. In the case of Fascism, State and individual are one and the same things, or rather, they are inseparable terms of a necessary synthesis.

For Fascism, the State is a wholly spiritual creation. It is a national State, because, from the Fascist point of view, the nation itself is a creation of the mind and is not a material presupposition, is not a datum of nature. The nation, says the Fascist, is never really made; neither, therefore, can the State attain an absolute form, since it is merely the nation in the latter's concrete, political manifestation. For the Fascist, the State is always in fieri. It is in our hands, wholly; whence our very serious responsibility towards it.

The State of the Fascists which is created by the consciousness and the will of the citizen, and is not a force descending on the citizen from above or from without, cannot have toward the mass of the population the relationship which was presumed by nationalism.
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PostSubject: Re: what am i?   Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:07 am

I dont give a shit what that guy says. Obviously he is going to try to make fascism seem appealling. The contrast exists between his quote and the practical applications of fascism. Research the economies of such states and realize they are not capitalist.
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