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PostSubject: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:28 pm

Nothing bothers me as much as this. Example. Japanese Communist Party has roughly five million members, the JSDF only has about 239,000 active personnel.

Communist Party of Italy, in 1990, had 700,000 more members than the Italian Army has personnel. Etc, etc.

It frustrates me.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:47 pm

Army with guns.Vs.Random guys
..yea they going to lose...

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:07 pm

Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
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Lazy Soldiers fighting for money
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:10 pm

Liche wrote:
Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
VS
Lazy Soldiers fighting for money
Lazy soldiers win, and, if not, get aid against the evil commies. Your point? Crud, are those parties communist, or Stalinist?
Either way, there's no point of a revolution if you don't have the majority of workers, regardless of how many people are in the army.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:13 pm

Yep you need support from the people. You need a peoples liberation force, not a band of rebels.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:22 pm

Liche wrote:
Yep you need support from the people. You need a peoples liberation force, not a band of rebels.
And you need it in lots of places, not just two.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:24 pm

Liche wrote:
Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
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Lazy Soldiers fighting for money

Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:38 pm

idk get creative man
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:14 pm

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Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.

It's all in their imaginations, when a revolution happens they pretend to shoot each other and pretend to die using lazy tag hardcore game and whoever wins now owns the place.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:25 pm

Rename wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.

It's all in their imaginations, when a revolution happens they pretend to shoot each other and pretend to die using lazy tag hardcore game and whoever wins now owns the place.
Like in the American revolution.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:37 pm

Stos wrote:
Rename wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.

It's all in their imaginations, when a revolution happens they pretend to shoot each other and pretend to die using lazy tag hardcore game and whoever wins now owns the place.
Like in the American revolution.
yep, then the French come and make a Naval blockade.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:58 pm

Liche wrote:
Stos wrote:
Rename wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:


Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.

It's all in their imaginations, when a revolution happens they pretend to shoot each other and pretend to die using lazy tag hardcore game and whoever wins now owns the place.
Like in the American revolution.
yep, then the French come and make a Naval blockade.

haha if the French are still there Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:44 pm

It's not a "red vs. white" war in which the members of communists parties send their masses against the army.

What so massive c ommunist parties can do is work hard to start educating the workers, the larger they are the more they can spread revolutionary ideas.

The revolution shall be done by us together with the workers not only by us.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:01 pm

What do you mean here by 'us'?
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:09 pm

Stos wrote:
What do you mean here by 'us'?

Revolutionaires.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:27 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Stos wrote:
What do you mean here by 'us'?

Revolutionaires.
"The working class is revolutionary, or it is nothing."
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:17 am

I think it wouldnt be a bad idea if the soldiers who are communist persuade the others to join their cause.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:26 am

The parties you mentioned are actually pretty politically active in terms of pushing for social reforms and aiding the labor movement and there's not much else they can do given the current political landscape. If such parties were to take revolutionary action now, it would be more detrimental to the cause of communism than if they were to disband.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:33 am

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The parties you mentioned are actually pretty politically active in terms of pushing for social reforms and aiding the labor movement and there's not much else they can do given the current political landscape. If such parties were to take revolutionary action now, it would be more detrimental to the cause of communism than if they were to disband.

Reforms are not of great help to the working class.

What they should be doing is to start educating the working class and increasing the class consciousness.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:46 am

Reforms are not a great help but they do help the working class nonetheless and rallying workers around issues builds the labor movement more than simply attempting to educate the working class.

As a revolutionary situation in either country is infeasible in the foreseeable future, efforts at socialist education may be futile.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:56 am

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Reforms are not a great help but they do help the working class

They help the working class to keep dormant.

oligarch wrote:

nonetheless and rallying workers around issues builds the labor movement more

Rallying how?

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than simply attempting to educate the working class.

As a revolutionary situation in either country is infeasible in the foreseeable future, efforts at socialist education may be futile.[/quote

If you manage to get workers to gather a couple of hours a day and get them to understand the origin of their situation and the way to change it it will be just matter of time before revolution ensues.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:03 am

You can't build a revolutionary labor movement out of education alone.

Reforms that are enacted as a result of the labor movement build class consciousness because the working class unites to fight for a common goal and sees the benefits.

The working class must first have desire to change the status quo before it can be completely radicalized.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:47 am

oligarch wrote:
You can't build a revolutionary labor movement out of education alone.

Reforms that are enacted as a result of the labor movement build class consciousness because the working class unites to fight for a common goal and sees the benefits.

The working class must first have desire to change the status quo before it can be completely radicalized.
Or they can just unite and fight for their freedom. Very Happy
Yes, you can build a revolutionary movement out of education. Why the hell not?
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:44 am

Because a dormant working class can not be radicalized.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:51 am

oligarch wrote:
You can't build a revolutionary labor movement out of education alone.

Education shows them the nature of the status quo thus showing why and how it should be changed.

oligarch wrote:

Reforms that are enacted as a result of the labor movement build class consciousness because the working class unites to fight for a common goal and sees the benefits.

And the result of reforms, which is basically the idea of them, is to serve as palliatives that keep the workers content with a phyrric victory.

oligarch wrote:

The working class must first have desire to change the status quo before it can be completely radicalized.

And the way to do it is by helping them understand the status quo, that it can be changed, why it should be changed and how to change it.
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