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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:57 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:


Education shows them the nature of the status quo thus showing why and how it should be changed.

A vanguard party to educate the working class and transform it into a revolutionary class is usually necessary for a successful revolution but the working class must first be mobilized.

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And the way to do it is by helping them understand the status quo, that it can be changed, why it should be changed and how to change it.

Radicalization can not occur before the working class finds it necessary to mobilize against its current conditions.
Communists in nations where the working class is not fully mobilized should not radicalize them with socialism but work to build a strong and unified trade unionist movement with the ability and desire change its current conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:40 am

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Nothing bothers me as much as this. Example. Japanese Communist Party has roughly five million members, the JSDF only has about 239,000 active personnel.

Communist Party of Italy, in 1990, had 700,000 more members than the Italian Army has personnel. Etc, etc.

It frustrates me.

and who says they want to die for communism?
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:24 am

yea they could be pacifists.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:26 am

still is not time for a movement.
the time will come.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:45 am

beatnikzach wrote:
still is not time for a movement.
the time will come.
Why not now? The world is paranoid of economic collapse and by looking at the past times of economic trouble are the perfect time for new systems

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:42 pm

For now, we wait.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:56 pm

Liche wrote:
For now, we wait.
Wait for what? We can't just stand around and hope for some huge crisis to turn everybody socialist.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:55 pm

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yea they could be pacifists.

evryone can beleve but not many can actually do.

I'd say only 2 ppl on the forum would acctually go kill themselvs for communism
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:56 pm

Stos wrote:

Wait for what? We can't just stand around and hope for some huge crisis to turn everybody socialist.

Amen to that.

mattabesta wrote:
evryone can beleve but not many can actually do.

I'd say only 2 ppl on the forum would acctually go kill themselvs for communism

The thing is not to go and kill oneself. The idea is to rise the working mass against oppression. The risk to life comes with the success of such a movement.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:13 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Stos wrote:

Wait for what? We can't just stand around and hope for some huge crisis to turn everybody socialist.

Amen to that.

mattabesta wrote:
evryone can beleve but not many can actually do.

I'd say only 2 ppl on the forum would acctually go kill themselvs for communism

The thing is not to go and kill oneself. The idea is to rise the working mass against oppression. The risk to life comes with the success of such a movement.

it won't work unless the was majoraty of the cuntie supports the peacfull protest and a revolt won't happen in a modren society.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:01 am

would do you call Zapistas then Matt?
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:31 am

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it won't work unless the was majoraty of the cuntie supports the peacfull protest and a revolt won't happen in a modren society.

1. The idea of communism is precisely to acquire most of the populational support.
2. Revolts can happen anywhere. While they're much less probable in countries like Niceland, in 2nd and 3rd world countries they're pretty likely.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:20 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:


it won't work unless the was majoraty of the cuntie supports the peacfull protest and a revolt won't happen in a modren society.

1. The idea of communism is precisely to acquire most of the populational support.
2. Revolts can happen anywhere. While they're much less probable in countries like Niceland, in 2nd and 3rd world countries they're pretty likely.
Well, unless Niceland becomes a 'Third World' country...
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:20 pm

oligarch wrote:


A vanguard party to educate the working class and transform it into a revolutionary class is usually necessary for a successful revolution but the working class must first be mobilized.

The working class cannot mobilize properly without the reasoning to do so which is product of education.

oligarch wrote:


Radicalization can not occur before the working class finds it necessary to mobilize against its current conditions.
Part of the education consists on giving them the reasons of why and how this system should be overthrown thus showing them the path to follow to change their conditions and the goal pursued.

oligarch wrote:

Communists in nations where the working class is not fully mobilized should not radicalize them with socialism but work to build a strong and unified trade unionist movement with the ability and desire change its current conditions.

Once again, the desire to change their current conditons must come from understanding that the actual situation is not legitimate, that they're the backbone of economy, that they can change their conditions, that their conditions are caused by the system that it has to be changed and to which it has to be changed and how to achieve it. If the workers are not conscious of all that you cannot expect them to mobilize properly.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:24 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:


it won't work unless the was majoraty of the cuntie supports the peacfull protest and a revolt won't happen in a modren society.

1. The idea of communism is precisely to acquire most of the populational support.
2. Revolts can happen anywhere. While they're much less probable in countries like Niceland, in 2nd and 3rd world countries they're pretty likely.

If that's the Idear then why are you complaining about inactivity of communist members???
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:43 am

Well, to answer the very first question ; commies won't do a shit, because most of them are scared to death just to think about doing something in order to realise their utopic ideals..what a shame.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:04 am

we are intelectuel people. we let the discusting proletariat do the actual work for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:14 am

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Well, to answer the very first question ; commies won't do a shit, because most of them are scared to death just to think about doing something in order to realise their utopic ideals..what a shame.

Most official communist parties and their affilaites are nothing but reformists or "coffee communists".

A moron wrote:
we are intelectuel people. we let the discusting proletariat do the actual work for us.

Shut the fuck up idiot.

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:01 pm

A moron wrote:
we are intelectuel people. we let the discusting proletariat do the actual work for us.

"A moron wrote"
Lol.
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PostSubject: MY COCK, BITCH   Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:45 pm

dont you know sarcasm?


i meant to say, we cant do something until the material conditions are ripe.

once the rate of profit and therefore eventually the quantity of profit drops significantly, the workers will have no choice but to revolt.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:09 am

CoolKidX wrote:
Liche wrote:
Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
VS
Lazy Soldiers fighting for money

Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.
black market
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:14 am

cary jebus wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
Liche wrote:
Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
VS
Lazy Soldiers fighting for money

Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.
black market

But u must have a shit load of monah to buy all those wep's for 700 THOUSAND people.

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:41 pm

CoolKidX wrote:
cary jebus wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
Liche wrote:
Random Guys with guns fighting for a Cause
VS
Lazy Soldiers fighting for money

Were get those random guys guns from?
MAybe a pistol or a uzi, but no way 700.000.
black market

But u must have a shit load of monah to buy all those wep's for 700 THOUSAND people.
That's the point, he wishes to get millions shot for the lulz.
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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:16 pm

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Well, to answer the very first question ; commies won't do a shit, because most of them are scared to death just to think about doing something in order to realise their utopic ideals..what a shame.

Unfortunately, that's dumb; mostly because it is so irrelevant. Revolution will always flow from the labor movement. Commies just need to participate as best they can and try to steer the revolution in the right direction; education, of course, being one of those ways.

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PostSubject: Re: Inaction of Communist Parties when they have greater numbers   Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:11 pm

400 years later
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Unfortunately, that's dumb; mostly because it is so irrelevant. Revolution will always flow from the labor movement. Commies just need to participate as best they can and try to steer the revolution in the right direction; education, of course, being one of those ways.
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