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PostSubject: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:52 am

WR is on the verge of collapse.

The majority of the most active and intellectually capable members are completely discontent with the way WR is being ruled by Kenzu.

They have requested for changes which have been dismissed by said administrator and have proved the flawed democraticity of Kenzu's rule.

Kenzu has engaged in repeated demonstrations of autocracy and repression and the people have just bursted.


Kenzu, if you appreciate this site, you'll surrender to the popular demands whatever they might be. Otherwise, the forum is doomed.

And starting from now, I begin dishearing your repressive policies and apply popular will.

Shall this cost my administratorship it would have been worth losing it.

This movement is no reaction. This movement is a demonstration of democratic demands. This movement is revolutionary. This movement wants to change some flawed policies and is backed up by reason.

This movement has uncovered terrible inconsistencies within this site's laws, within this site's policies and has enough evidence to back up its accusations.



The possible outcomes of this "battle" are as follows:

1. You'll keep banning and censoring said population driving it out of the forum. Eventually you'll kill it by creating a forum solely populated by drones.
2. You'll surrender to democracy and leave that autocratic rule and follow the people's demands. The farthest you can go is to try convincing the dissent that they're wrong and for that you'd need strong and reasonable arguements which so far you have failed to provide.

This actual problem lies within the very foundations of WR and it will repeat so long as revolutionaries come to this site, so long as people pay attention to the promise of this site's democraticity.

Kenzu, you got no option but to listen to the people and the people have laready spoken.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:00 am

Someone has to say it, and it's the most honest member of our forum who done it.

Zealot, thank you for your consideration of our demands.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:14 am

The movement is lead by the promise that this site is democratic. The movement is fighting for congruence, for reason, for the integrity of this site.

The movement is democratic.




It's sad to have to engage in all this... More than sad it is ridiculous...


Kenzu, the people have spoken. If you're really democratic you'll listen to them. As simple as that.

I have limited mysefl to a great extent for considerations towards your authority as chief administrator, but, keeping congrous and loyal to my principles, I cannot let this site fall to autocracy.

I always did my best to get this forum back on track and I think I achieved it to some extent. I wanted to create a tool that allowed democracy within this site and I think I achieved it to some extent.

If this site is democratic, people will have a sayy directly on how it will be run. As simple as that.

Pay attention to this Kenzu for this is the time in which WR's reality will be defined either as a democratic site in which we can have reasonable debates between members of different political philosophies or just a site dedicated to praising your works as a flash artist, spamming and engaging only in meaningless discussions on wether pepperoni pizza tastes well or not.

You decide wether this site is really democratic or just the repressentation on how a system is run in the most hypocritic way.
Long live the people's will!

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:30 am

Hate to sound like a despot, but to hell with it.

The people do not always know what they want.

The BIG issue here, as I am understanding, is being allowed to swear. Let's be frank, people, he's quite leaniant with it. Just look at MY posts. And the reason? Toss in the ballpark here, attracting more people. Having a forum where people are saying fuck every three words does NOT look good. "But they'll all be trolls and yadda, yadda!" Tough balls.

It should be noted that I think I recieved a warning a LONG time ago about my swearing, in relation to a specific post where I DID swear rather profusely. Maybe was another site, so ignore this if it wasn't here. But I think it WAS.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:44 am

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
Hate to sound like a despot, but to hell with it.

The people do not always know what they want.

That's not the case here. Everyone expressing dissent has done so in a reasonable and well argued manner.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

The BIG issue here, as I am understanding, is being allowed to swear.

No, it's not the big issue actually. People have got offended for Kenzu's deffense of trolls and offenders like Calinis while he bans people for things as simple as saying "fuck you".

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

Let's be frank, people, he's quite leaniant with it. Just look at MY posts. And the reason? Toss in the ballpark here, attracting more people. Having a forum where people are saying fuck every three words does NOT look good. "But they'll all be trolls and yadda, yadda!" Tough balls.

Once again, it's not just because swearing is dissallowed. For the people it is offensive that 1) swearing is given a punishment and even worse when said punishment is as high as the one for slander or trolling 2) that their demands are completelly dismissed despite the site being suposedly democratic 3) disregard of context by Kenzu to take decisions 4) Kenzu's claim to authority inspite of being so distanced from the forum 5) unnecesary threattening for bans without even awaiting clarification.

Tyrong Kojy wrote:

It should be noted that I think I recieved a warning a LONG time ago about my swearing, in relation to a specific post where I DID swear rather profusely. Maybe was another site, so ignore this if it wasn't here. But I think it WAS.

Event that shouldn't be relevant for swearing is no big deal.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:23 am

How does a website collapse?

What you mean to say is, some people are gonna leave.

OH NO! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD(republic)


I find all of this funny...
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:25 am

Liche wrote:
How does a website collapse?

What you mean to say is, some people are gonna leave.

OH NO! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD(republic)


I find all of this funny...

Of course you do, opportunist.

If this site doesn't change that structural characteristic it will never be really dmeocratic and will alway fall short of expectations being a constant dissapointment for those who visit it.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:28 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:
How does a website collapse?

What you mean to say is, some people are gonna leave.

OH NO! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD(republic)


I find all of this funny...

Of course you do, opportunist.

If this site doesn't change that structural characteristic it will never be really dmeocratic and will alway fall short of expectations being a constant dissapointment for those who visit it.
Yea, but people will still come. This is a forum for discussing politics, not a country.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:32 am

Liche wrote:

Yea, but people will still come. This is a forum for discussing politics, not a country.

So? What's your point? That it can't be run democratically? That incongruence is ok?

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:35 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:

Yea, but people will still come. This is a forum for discussing politics, not a country.

So? What's your point? That it can't be run democratically? That incongruence is ok?
No Ignorance is bad, but in my opinion, you guys are ignorant for only seeing your own point of view.

It is funny because you say capitalists do things to socialists, but you just do those exact things to capitalist thats why I earlier said you guys where "hypocrites".
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:39 am

Liche wrote:

No Ignorance is bad, but in my opinion, you guys are ignorant for only seeing your own point of view.

Do you realize you didn't even address the point?

And in which way do we only see our own point of view?

Liche wrote:

It is funny because you say capitalists do things to socialists, but you just do those exact things to capitalist thats why I earlier said you guys where "hypocrites".

Being out of arguements all you've got left to do is simply to play the "turn the tables" game which never works.

Who's even talking about capitalism or socialism here? We're talking about democracy and congruence, plain and simple.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:43 am

no no, I'm not necessarily talking about the current situation, I was just using it as an example.

and about the 'ignorance' thing, you think that every one sees capitalism as evil, and communism as the only reasonable choice. and that the revolution is only to lead towards communism,and in my opinion it seems like you guys think 'who cares what the people want we don't need to ask only act'.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:58 am

Liche wrote:
no no, I'm not necessarily talking about the current situation, I was just using it as an example.

You're alreday departing too much from the point... Example for what?

Liche wrote:

and about the 'ignorance' thing, you think that every one sees capitalism as evil, and communism as the only reasonable choice.

Where have I said such thing?

Liche wrote:

and that the revolution is only to lead towards communism,and in my opinion it seems like you guys think 'who cares what the people want we don't need to ask only act'.

That's why we make votations for the application of any given decision. And that's probably why I always take into account what the majourity of the people can reasonably defend.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:01 am

I'm not talking about the majority of socialists, I'm talking about the majority of PEOPLE who by the way are NOT socialist.

And in another thread I said "just because they are capitalists they are not evil" and you replied "says who?" which lead me to think you believe they are evil.

and I think you need to look the definition of slander before you use it every 5 minutes.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:08 am

Liche wrote:
I'm not talking about the majority of socialists, I'm talking about the majority of PEOPLE who by the way are NOT socialist.

The majority of people, by the way, is socialist. And not all right.wingers are against us.

Liche wrote:

And in another thread I said "just because they are capitalists they are not evil" and you replied "says who?" which lead me to think you believe they are evil.

What is in the other thread, leave it there.

Liche wrote:

and I think you need to look the definition of slander before you use it every 5 minutes.

I know perfectly what slander stands for, the problem is that you engage in it every 2 posts.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:34 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Liche wrote:
I'm not talking about the majority of socialists, I'm talking about the majority of PEOPLE who by the way are NOT socialist.

The majority of people, by the way, is socialist. And not all right.wingers are against us.

Liche wrote:

And in another thread I said "just because they are capitalists they are not evil" and you replied "says who?" which lead me to think you believe they are evil.

What is in the other thread, leave it there.

Liche wrote:

and I think you need to look the definition of slander before you use it every 5 minutes.

I know perfectly what slander stands for, the problem is that you engage in it every 2 posts.
then gave an example, showing 1/2 of my posts.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:16 pm

First, Zealot, I don't care if it's well argued. A creationist who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old, FLAT AND SQUARE (If you want a link, just ask.) can have a well reasoned argument.

The rest... Okay. I've only been popping in and out here, so that's just what I got, so yeah, defending trollers is bad, but I'VE never seen it. I'll take your word, though.

And yes, swearing IS a big deal if it's in the goddamn contract you signed to be allowed to post here.

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:22 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
And yes, swearing IS a big deal if it's in the goddamn contract you signed to be allowed to post here.
Fuck you.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 12:23 pm

Stos wrote:
Tyrong Kojy wrote:
And yes, swearing IS a big deal if it's in the goddamn contract you signed to be allowed to post here.
Fuck you.
long live freedom of speech!
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:55 pm

fuck you liche and the outher guy, this forum will fucking colapse, nearly all actie people are about to leave, this will be an empty place, the people have spoken sucker's!

i wann't good old zealot times back

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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:47 pm

Tyrong Kojy wrote:
And yes, swearing IS a big deal if it's in the goddamn contract you signed to be allowed to post here.

Irony!
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:13 pm

Yea I know, you guys really need to read before you agree.
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:12 am

How is it that you feel justified in agreeing to something and subsequently protesting it?

If you intend to leave, just leave. Who's it going to hurt?
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PostSubject: Re: WR's actual status   Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:31 am

im 100% sure that if i leave then this foruk will die.
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