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PostSubject: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeThu Nov 13, 2008 1:46 am

i will keep it short

im a russian socialist

my political points

-socialism
-nationalism
-anti-fascism
-militarism
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-anti-american
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeThu Nov 13, 2008 7:37 am

Nationalism? You are joking right? Not only is that absurd (MY NATION IS GREATER THAN YOURS, LET'S FIGHT!) but it's against the principles of socialism, yeah? People in THIS country are to be treated better than people in this inferior country.

To what degree would militarism be evident? Needn't the military only be in issues of national security, rather than gloriying its brutal nature?

You say you're anti-fascist, but this is remarkably akin to fascism, from the points you highlighted.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeFri Nov 14, 2008 1:46 am

cheers

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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeFri Nov 14, 2008 1:49 am

Your stands remind me of Anarcho-Nazism...

Hmm...oh well.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeFri Nov 14, 2008 2:35 am

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Your stands remind me of Anarcho-Nazism...

Hmm...oh well.

It actually does, much as of mine.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeFri Nov 14, 2008 2:36 am

Sill wrote:
CoolKidX wrote:
Your stands remind me of Anarcho-Nazism...

Hmm...oh well.

It actually does, much as of mine.
Knew it X3
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 5:28 pm

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Nationalism? You are joking right? Not only is that absurd (MY NATION IS GREATER THAN YOURS, LET'S FIGHT!) but it's against the principles of socialism, yeah? People in THIS country are to be treated better than people in this inferior country.

lol what bullshit are you wrting, everybody should be proud of his country if they are enough resons to be it, to be proud of his country and to say the other one sucks and is bullshit have nothing to do with each other and thats the major point among nationalism and fascistic-nationalism, thats not against socialism

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To what degree would militarism be evident? Needn't the military only be in issues of national security, rather than gloriying its brutal nature?

military should be just use in a defensive way, i think as much as possible people must serve a time in the military becouse it teaches you discipline, strengthens, staying power and you can always be a active part in defending you motherland

hope you undestand now
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 5:31 pm

The last part is called Defensive-Miltarism, that's a part of: Bonapartism and Anrcho-Nazism, just to remind it Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 5:42 pm

maybe, the point is im totally anti war but if you must defend your country everybody should can do it and take part in it to defend it, militarism is a part of my ideology it procures important attributes to the people wich are were rare in our neoliberal time and that is discipline, strengthens and staying power
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 5:47 pm

But you can always talk with your neighboor countries, and in this time, we are all reasonable Smile
A random attack on a country would be kinda insane, but being prepared couldnt hurt also.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 5:53 pm

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But you can always talk with your neighboor countries, and in this time, we are all reasonable Smile
A random attack on a country would be kinda insane, but being prepared couldnt hurt also.

see iraq and afghanistan, soon wars will be made because of resources thats the was the point in iraq, and if needed you must help anouther country to defend itself, how we russians defended south ossetia this year on august which were attacked by georgia

you wann't peace? then be prepared for war!
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 7:24 pm

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see iraq and afghanistan, soon wars will be made because of resources thats the was the point in iraq,

That war was more than just for oil, it was a war to gain both a strategic position and a new commercial colony. That's the way imperialism works. If a country doesn't buy your shit you force that country to do so, if that country is in a strategically important area and doesn't give you territorial consesions to use it's strategic position, you attack that country. And if has a bunch of prime importance resources you attack that country. Iraq had all three.

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and if needed you must help anouther country to defend itself, how we russians defended south ossetia this year on august which were attacked by georgia

It's good that Russia takes its role as peacekeeper with a bit more seriousness and much less hipocricy than the rest of the world's powers.

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you wann't peace? then be prepared for war!

That's true.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 8:15 pm

totaly right zealot, its even much more then "just" resources, i see we understand each other but it think russia didn't do enough... we should have gone till tbilisi and hang this saakasvili fag
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 8:26 pm

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totaly right zealot, its even much more then "just" resources, i see we understand each other but it think russia didn't do enough... we should have gone till tbilisi and hang this saakasvili fag

That's what Georgians seemed to be expecting so they could blame Russia of imperialism. Russia destroyed half of Georgia's military infrastructure, destroyed the only working aircraft factory and sank all of Georgias navy. I think that's a good hit.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 9:43 pm

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totaly right zealot, its even much more then "just" resources, i see we understand each other but it think russia didn't do enough... we should have gone till tbilisi and hang this saakasvili fag

That's what Georgians seemed to be expecting so they could blame Russia of imperialism. Russia destroyed half of Georgia's military infrastructure, destroyed the only working aircraft factory and sank all of Georgias navy. I think that's a good hit.
haha stupid Georgians...they expected US support (and maybe got some..but).

Yea, I like your political profile! reminds me of RedSoviet.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 10:05 pm

I find nationalism incredibly asinine, but it's not the most terrible polipro I've ever seen. Welcome.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 10:23 pm

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I find nationalism incredibly asinine, but it's not the most terrible polipro I've ever seen. Welcome.
Radical Nationalism is bad. But pride for a nation is ok.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 11:35 pm

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That's what Georgians seemed to be expecting so they could blame Russia of imperialism. Russia destroyed half of Georgia's military infrastructure, destroyed the only working aircraft factory and sank all of Georgias navy. I think that's a good hit.

no that was not enough, for a the third genocide on the ossetian people was the price for georgia too low, the started this war and then they scremed that we are impirialist and and and after the saw that we totaly owned them and the west sayd it to... so if they already saing it then lets do it!!!

but a regime change were a minimum... and we didn't....

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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 12:34 am

no problem Smile
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 12:45 am

Liche wrote:
Zeronos wrote:
I find nationalism incredibly asinine, but it's not the most terrible polipro I've ever seen. Welcome.
Radical Nationalism is bad. But pride for a nation is ok.
its actualy worse... like pseudo nazists in denmark.... arg i hate them more then real nazis, because real nazis you cant take serious, but these people just spin it all up, and write long stupid articles in the newspapers about imegrants and so on! ARG ARG
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 1:44 am

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Zeronos wrote:
I find nationalism incredibly asinine, but it's not the most terrible polipro I've ever seen. Welcome.
Radical Nationalism is bad. But pride for a nation is ok.

Pride in a plot of land divided from others by imaginary lines drawn on a map. As George Bernard Shaw once said, "Patriotism is the conviction your country is superior to all others because you were born in it."

It just doesn't make sense to me.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 2:18 am

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lol what bullshit are you wrting, everybody should be proud of his country if they are enough resons to be it, to be proud of his country and to say the other one sucks and is bullshit have nothing to do with each other and thats the major point among nationalism and fascistic-nationalism, thats not against socialism

Why should everyone be proud of his country? A country is an inorganic concept and should not be treated as if it is something more. I live on a piece of land that is no different than another piece of land on the other side of the world, the only thing is that it is controlled by a group of different people. I never decided to live here, just like I didn't decide to have blue eyes, so why do I have to be proud of being born of this piece of land, as opposed to another piece of land? Is having being born and living on this piece of land make you feel accomplished? Does your country's history point directly towards you, as you are an agent of your country?

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military should be just use in a defensive way, i think as much as possible people must serve a time in the military becouse it teaches you discipline, strengthens, staying power and you can always be a active part in defending you motherland

Nobody should be forced to be part of the military. War is disgusting.

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Radical Nationalism is bad. But pride for a nation is ok.

Why should someone be proud of their nation? Read what I wrote to Speznas.

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Pride in a plot of land divided from others by imaginary lines drawn on a map. As George Bernard Shaw once said, "Patriotism is the conviction your country is superior to all others because you were born in it."

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Totally agree.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 2:47 am

For me a country is more than just imaginary lines over a plot of land, it's also the culture(s) developing within said delimited land.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 2:49 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
For me a country is more than just imaginary lines over a plot of land, it's also the culture(s) developing within said delimited land.

Culture is one thing. A nation is another. I embrace world cultures, I believe culture's a beautiful thing. However, these things grow independently of the nation itself and are more of a geo-ethnic development, still rendering pride in a nation utterly bizarre.
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PostSubject: Re: My Political Profile   My Political Profile Icon_minitimeSun Nov 16, 2008 2:53 am

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Culture is one thing. A nation is another. I embrace world cultures, I believe culture's a beautiful thing. However, these things grow independently of the nation itself and are more of a geo-ethnic development, still rendering pride in a nation utterly bizarre.

Nation and culture may be intertwined specially in some cultures. The land in which the culture develops greatly infludes on the way that culture will develop. Wether a culture embraces or not the concept of "nation" and a belonging to a certain territory will influde in the way that culture develops further.
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