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PostSubject: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeThu Nov 13, 2008 2:26 am

I am a Marxist. Id like to know what some people on this site are.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeThu Nov 13, 2008 3:29 am

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Capitalist.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeThu Nov 13, 2008 4:55 am

Anarchist-Communist
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 1:48 am

I have no idea. A cynic?
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 2:17 am

I guess i'm a fachist
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 2:17 am

Jesus wrote:
I guess i'm a fachist

From anarchist to facist...

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Enlightened despotist.
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Anarcho-Syndicalist.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 8:11 am

Trotskyist.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 8:16 am

Zeronos wrote:
Trotskyist.

cheers i would actually aproved the USSR being communist if he we're the leader, tough i cannot say he would be immune to corruption, like the proverb says either you die a hero either you live long enough to become the vilain
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Danish.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 7:55 pm

Jesus wrote:
Zeronos wrote:
Trotskyist.

cheers i would actually aproved the USSR being communist if he we're the leader,
Eh, he was just jealous of Stalin's position. They both suck.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeSat Nov 15, 2008 8:35 pm

Eclectic Communist.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 5:54 pm

so many concepts...
i am a Socialist.
i think...
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 5:56 pm

Pedrodesa wrote:
so many concepts...
i am a Socialist.
i think...
xD

Socialism and communism are the same thing. If perhaps for pragmatic reasons socialism is sometimes refered to as a "developmental stage of communism" while communism would be "perfected socialism". In other words, "socialism" would be "communism in construction" and "communism" would be "accomplished socialism". A building is a building even at 50% completion.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 6:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 6:03 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:
so many concepts...
i am a Socialist.
i think...
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Socialism and communism are the same thing. If perhaps for pragmatic reasons socialism is sometimes refered to as a "developmental stage of communism" while communism would be "perfected socialism". In other words, "socialism" would be "communism in construction" and "communism" would be "accomplished socialism". A building is a building even at 50% completion.
i seach this texto to explain whats diferences in communism and socialism:

"socialism is the stage of transition to communism, so too can be called a lower step of communism"

it is?
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 6:07 pm

I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 6:11 pm

mattabesta wrote:
I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
im against the reformist ideals...
you cannot make the capitalism more human...
you just cannot.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 6:43 pm

mattabesta wrote:
I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)

No. Reformism doesn't lead to socialism. As a socialist you're necesarily revolutionary.


Socialism is when the workers have taken the means of production and stablished a real workers' democracy. When it's perfected into an egalitarian society it becomes communism.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 7:19 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
mattabesta wrote:
I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)

No. Reformism doesn't lead to socialism. As a socialist you're necesarily revolutionary.


Socialism is when the workers have taken the means of production and stablished a real workers' democracy. When it's perfected into an egalitarian society it becomes communism.

but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende?
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 8:08 pm

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but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende?

It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up.
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeTue Nov 18, 2008 9:06 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:


but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende?

It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up.

i dont undestand...
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PostSubject: Re: Your political view   Your political view Icon_minitimeWed Nov 19, 2008 1:11 pm

Pedrodesa wrote:
Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:


but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende?

It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up.

i dont undestand...
Allende wasn't a socialist, he was just a tinkering reformist.
Also, the old reformists who wanted socialism as an end, but wanted a slow path through reforms, could be considered socialists, but they also theorized that capitalism wouldn't have more crises, and were... Ehm... Wrong.

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I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
It was never a 'transitional stage' in Marx's time (or for the utopian socialists). 'Social democrats' (it's a misleading name stolen from the socialists, like that of those cappies who call themselves 'libertarian') aren't at all socialists either.
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