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+13Zealot_Kommunizma Stos Tyrlop Zeronos WeiWuWei Hutin Suprimée CoolKidX Jesus Sungri Black_Cross nillerz Comrade Pollett comrade110397 17 posters |
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comrade110397 New Party Member
Posts : 569 Join date : 2008-11-11 Age : 38 Location : IDK
| Subject: Your political view Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:26 am | |
| I am a Marxist. Id like to know what some people on this site are. _________________ POWER TO THE PEOPLE
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Comrade Pollett Experienced Party Member
Posts : 923 Join date : 2007-10-14 Age : 30 Location : Newfoundland and labrador
| Subject: Re: Your political view Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:29 am | |
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nillerz Arrested
Posts : 288 Join date : 2008-04-02 Age : 34 Location : Western NY
| Subject: Re: Your political view Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:38 am | |
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Black_Cross Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1702 Join date : 2008-04-04 Age : 35 Location : Sisyphean Hell
| Subject: Re: Your political view Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:55 am | |
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Sungri Pioneer Leader
Posts : 86 Join date : 2008-08-05 Age : 34 Location : Seoul
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:48 am | |
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Jesus World Republic Party Member
Posts : 679 Join date : 2008-09-12 Age : 30 Location : Behind you're back
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:17 am | |
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CoolKidX Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 4639 Join date : 2008-02-14 Location : Netherlands
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:17 am | |
| - Jesus wrote:
- I guess i'm a fachist
From anarchist to facist... -__- | |
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Hutin Suprimée ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 492 Join date : 2008-07-16 Age : 32 Location : France/Quebec
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:31 am | |
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WeiWuWei World Republic Party Member
Posts : 624 Join date : 2008-04-14 Age : 47
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:59 am | |
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Zeronos ZEK in siberian gulag
Posts : 244 Join date : 2008-07-03 Age : 30 Location : Tennessee
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:11 am | |
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Jesus World Republic Party Member
Posts : 679 Join date : 2008-09-12 Age : 30 Location : Behind you're back
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:16 am | |
| - Zeronos wrote:
- Trotskyist.
i would actually aproved the USSR being communist if he we're the leader, tough i cannot say he would be immune to corruption, like the proverb says either you die a hero either you live long enough to become the vilain | |
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Tyrlop Chairman of the WR Committee
Posts : 1853 Join date : 2008-06-01
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:29 pm | |
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Stos New Party Member
Posts : 546 Join date : 2008-09-14
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:55 pm | |
| - Jesus wrote:
- Zeronos wrote:
- Trotskyist.
i would actually aproved the USSR being communist if he we're the leader, Eh, he was just jealous of Stalin's position. They both suck. | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Your political view Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:35 pm | |
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Pedrodesa Pioneer
Posts : 37 Join date : 2008-11-13 Age : 30 Location : Recife, Pernambuco, Brasil
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:54 pm | |
| so many concepts... i am a Socialist. i think... xD | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:56 pm | |
| - Pedrodesa wrote:
- so many concepts...
i am a Socialist. i think... xD Socialism and communism are the same thing. If perhaps for pragmatic reasons socialism is sometimes refered to as a "developmental stage of communism" while communism would be "perfected socialism". In other words, "socialism" would be "communism in construction" and "communism" would be "accomplished socialism". A building is a building even at 50% completion. | |
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 3936 Join date : 2007-12-23 Age : 29 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:00 pm | |
| Nationalist-Democratic Liberal | |
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Pedrodesa Pioneer
Posts : 37 Join date : 2008-11-13 Age : 30 Location : Recife, Pernambuco, Brasil
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:03 pm | |
| - Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
- Pedrodesa wrote:
- so many concepts...
i am a Socialist. i think... xD Socialism and communism are the same thing. If perhaps for pragmatic reasons socialism is sometimes refered to as a "developmental stage of communism" while communism would be "perfected socialism". In other words, "socialism" would be "communism in construction" and "communism" would be "accomplished socialism". A building is a building even at 50% completion. i seach this texto to explain whats diferences in communism and socialism: "socialism is the stage of transition to communism, so too can be called a lower step of communism" it is? | |
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mattabesta Chairman of the Supreme Council
Posts : 3936 Join date : 2007-12-23 Age : 29 Location : Iceland
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:07 pm | |
| I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat) | |
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Pedrodesa Pioneer
Posts : 37 Join date : 2008-11-13 Age : 30 Location : Recife, Pernambuco, Brasil
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:11 pm | |
| - mattabesta wrote:
- I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
im against the reformist ideals... you cannot make the capitalism more human... you just cannot. | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:43 pm | |
| - mattabesta wrote:
- I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
No. Reformism doesn't lead to socialism. As a socialist you're necesarily revolutionary. Socialism is when the workers have taken the means of production and stablished a real workers' democracy. When it's perfected into an egalitarian society it becomes communism. | |
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Pedrodesa Pioneer
Posts : 37 Join date : 2008-11-13 Age : 30 Location : Recife, Pernambuco, Brasil
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:19 pm | |
| - Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
- mattabesta wrote:
- I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
No. Reformism doesn't lead to socialism. As a socialist you're necesarily revolutionary.
Socialism is when the workers have taken the means of production and stablished a real workers' democracy. When it's perfected into an egalitarian society it becomes communism. but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende? | |
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Zealot_Kommunizma Hero of the World Republic
Posts : 5413 Join date : 2007-12-06 Age : 35 Location : Mexico/Russia/Worl
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:08 pm | |
| - Pedrodesa wrote:
but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende? It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up. | |
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Pedrodesa Pioneer
Posts : 37 Join date : 2008-11-13 Age : 30 Location : Recife, Pernambuco, Brasil
| Subject: Re: Your political view Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:06 pm | |
| - Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
- Pedrodesa wrote:
but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende? It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up. i dont undestand... | |
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Stos New Party Member
Posts : 546 Join date : 2008-09-14
| Subject: Re: Your political view Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:11 pm | |
| - Pedrodesa wrote:
- Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
- Pedrodesa wrote:
but we do not have the reformist socialism of Allende? It was not socialism. Nor it managed to stay more than 3 years up. i dont undestand... Allende wasn't a socialist, he was just a tinkering reformist. Also, the old reformists who wanted socialism as an end, but wanted a slow path through reforms, could be considered socialists, but they also theorized that capitalism wouldn't have more crises, and were... Ehm... Wrong. - Quote :
- I think socialism was originally a transition stage so technically as a socialist you are either a revolutionary(Communist) or a Reformist (social democrat)
It was never a 'transitional stage' in Marx's time (or for the utopian socialists). 'Social democrats' (it's a misleading name stolen from the socialists, like that of those cappies who call themselves 'libertarian') aren't at all socialists either. | |
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