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Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?
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PostSubject: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:35 am

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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:53 am

Well they speak of equality and equality would be for all, not of the specific race. So no.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:59 am

Just nationalism is not racial.

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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:07 am

soviet union was kinda nationalist wasnt it?
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:52 pm

it depends wich type of nationalism, you can always have pride and be proud at your country

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PostSubject: no   Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:42 pm

no, Communism is a system of equality and nationalism is the oposite of this.
simple.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:54 pm

Why don't you define "nationalism" according to your undertanding?

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PostSubject: what i think of nationalism.   Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:08 pm

The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:46 pm

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The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.

For me "nationalism" and "love to nation" are two different things. You can love your girl and that doesn't make you hate others' girls. (Girls and gays, change gender in the example).

As for being in favour of nationalization of enterprises, well, it's certainly more possitive than private enterprising but it's still detrimental. At least is a very good starting counter against imperialism.

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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:18 pm

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:
The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.

For me "nationalism" and "love to nation" are two different things. You can love your girl and that doesn't make you hate others' girls. (Girls and gays, change gender in the example).

As for being in favour of nationalization of enterprises, well, it's certainly more possitive than private enterprising but it's still detrimental. At least is a very good starting counter against imperialism.

I wrote some things wrong, but I'm learning!
well, I agree, but the nationalism may bring in xenophobia and this is not good in my conception.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:21 pm

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I wrote some things wrong, but I'm learning!
well, I agree, but the nationalism may bring in xenophobia and this is not good in my conception.

Well, nationalism is not good in my view. I simply talk about love to a certain nation. Such a thing cannot breed xenophobia.

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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:30 pm

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Well, nationalism is not good in my view. I simply talk about love to a certain nation. Such a thing cannot breed xenophobia.

You are nationalist and you are reactionary as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 pm

calinis wrote:
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Well, nationalism is not good in my view. I simply talk about love to a certain nation. Such a thing cannot breed xenophobia.

You are nationalist and you are reactionary as well.
your a xenophob and a hypocrite as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:11 pm

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your a xenophob and a hypocrite as well.

nobody takes your shit seriously. Stop trolling.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:17 pm

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You are nationalist and you are reactionary as well.

You're an idiot that uses constantly disproved arguements in a blatant demonstration of trolling.

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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:04 pm

calinis wrote:
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your a xenophob and a hypocrite as well.

nobody takes your shit seriously. Stop trolling.
:'( yes they do, im an importan head here.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:23 pm

Pedrodesa wrote:
The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.
Theres a HUGE difference between Nationalism and Xenophobia. .............
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:28 pm

Liche wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:
The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.
Theres a HUGE difference between Nationalism and Xenophobia. .............
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:32 pm

Tyrlop wrote:
Liche wrote:

Liche wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:
The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.
Theres a HUGE difference between Nationalism and Xenophobia.

no
Nationalism is basically just pride for your nation.
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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:49 pm

Liche wrote:
Tyrlop wrote:
Liche wrote:

Liche wrote:
Pedrodesa wrote:
The nationalism and xenophobia implies q ue is not good for any country, but I am in favor of nationalism businesses, or nationalize private companies to best meet the needs of the people.
Theres a HUGE difference between Nationalism and Xenophobia.

no
Nationalism is basically just pride for your nation.
but there is no huge deiffrence.
enophobia has been documented in Australia since British colonisation. The early settlers had an attitude of racial superiority to the aboriginal inhabitants, persons whose culture was largely unknown to them, and the laws were very liberal for the rights of any European to claim land from the crown that had traditionally been lived on by aborigines. Aboriginal inhabitation of the land was not regarded as land ownership, and the aborigines were often violently evicted. The law would often protect any European who violently defended themselves and offered little recourse to any aborigine who felt themselves wronged. Deliberate murder of aborigines would often be hidden behind claims of self defense. An element of xenophobia may also have been present in the hostile responses by some Aboriginal communities even where white settlers attempted to peacefully coexist with them.

n Canada's western-most province of British Columbia, there has been a history of xenophobia towards people of Asian descent living there. In the late 19th century to the mid 20th century, people of Asian descent were considered savage and uncivilized people and racial violence occurred against members of the Chinese, Japanese, and Sikh communities during that time. For some time in Canada in the early twentieth century, a Chinese Head Tax existed, which was a discriminatory policy which forced Chinese immigrants to pay a fee in order to enter the country, which other immigrants did not have to do. In World War II, both Canada and the United States interned citizens of Japanese-descent as Japan was associated with the Axis Powers. Japanese were displayed as a vile and dangerous people in government propaganda. Japanese-American and Japanese-Canadian property was confiscated and not returned by Canadian and American authorities.

The aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks by the militant Islamic fundamentalist organization Al Qaeda have led to increased suspicion and xenophobia towards people of Middle Eastern descent or Islamic religious backgrounds. The result has been a number of arrests of wrongly accused people of Islamic descent on charges of terrorism.

and Xenophobia has been exhibited across the whole Europe by its various cultures and nationalities, both against non-Europeans and other Europeans.


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PostSubject: Re: Can nationalism co-exist with communism ?   Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:32 am

In communism, you are almost all as one, you are all equeal. You work for the state, as the sate is you, as you are one with the state and everyone else. You do not say I am doing good, You say the state is doing good. I think of nationalism is the love of your country to try to make it the best it can, and since you help each other you are the state, you are a citizen and you should love your country and make it the best it can be. I think its somehing like patriotism, not xenophobia,
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