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PostSubject: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:14 am

What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:33 pm

Not surprising, it's a video from the Communist Party of the USA...

I opened a thread on that here.


If we're going to separate socialism and communism into two things, the only way in which it may make sense is by defining the first as the developmental stage of the latter.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:40 am

No, I disagree!

And I don't want to go to your site any more Sad you are too narrow minded Zealot.



I remember once you said I was too neutral! (and no you defiantly said it too, this is not slander)
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:12 pm

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And I don't want to go to your site any more Sad you are too narrow minded Zealot.

As you wish, yet, you indeed lack basis to say I'm narrow-minded. If you can't explain something as simple as why you claim to be a leftist revolutionaire after being so politically ambiguous it's not my problem and definitely is not enough grounds to call me narrow minded.

"You're narrow minded because you ask me to broadly explain my views in order to let me in"-Liche.


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I remember once you said I was too neutral! (and no you defiantly said it too, this is not slander)

I won't deny I said that so don't just jump into conclusions. And yes, you're too neutral.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:44 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Not surprising, it's a video from the Communist Party of the USA...

I opened a thread on that here.


If we're going to separate socialism and communism into two things, the only way in which it may make sense is by defining the first as the developmental stage of the latter.

This.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:18 am

Zealot, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying your narrow minded for questioning my beliefs, I'm saying your narrow minded for the way you speak of other political beliefs. And I also I wasn't trying to jump to conclusions, its just usually when I speak my opinion or criticize you, I end up getting a warning for slander.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:09 am

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Zealot, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying your narrow minded for questioning my beliefs, I'm saying your narrow minded for the way you speak of other political beliefs.

1. I'm not questioning your beliefs, I'm asking you to explain them broadly for you've been constantly ambiguous about them.
2. How is the way in which I speak of other political beliefs narrow minded? I hope you can explain that.


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And I also I wasn't trying to jump to conclusions, its just usually when I speak my opinion or criticize you, I end up getting a warning for slander.

I sincerely hope that you realize this is a reincidence in slander. Irony? No, not at all. I explained you the difference between an opinion and an arguement. An accusation is not an opinion, it's an arguement that demands foundation. If said arguement, that accusation, lacks foundations it is slander. So well... when did I say that you engaged in slander against me? When you said that I ban people for their ideology and you failed presenting absolutely any proof for said claim. Your accusation was rendered as untrue and thus as slander.

Now you're saying that usually when you criticize me or speak your opinion you end up getting a warning for slander. That is an accusation Liche and it is an unfounded one. And an unfounded accusation is slander.

So you've engaged again in slander while making a reference to other times in which you have also engaged in slander, implying through slander, that you did not engage in slander but were accused of doing so just by expressing your opinion. Now that is Ironic: to try debunking an accusation of slander through slander.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:04 am

What's the difference? There is none.
Also, fuck the CPUSA.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:06 am

Stos wrote:
What's the difference? There is none.
Also, fuck the CPUSA.

doesnt cpusa stand for communist party united states of america?
and arent you a communist?
what the fuck im confused?
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:10 am

Sill wrote:
Stos wrote:
What's the difference? There is none.
Also, fuck the CPUSA.

doesnt cpusa stand for communist party united states of america?
and arent you a communist?
what the fuck im confused?
They're former Stalinists, now they're the left wing of the Democratic Party.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:11 am

Sill wrote:

doesnt cpusa stand for communist party united states of america?
and arent you a communist?
what the fuck im confused?

I bet that if you saw a transvestite running through the street screaming "I'm a woman!" you wouldn't doubt he really is a woman.

While the party may call itself "communist" it doesn't mean it actually is communist.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:13 am

so, your insinuating that communist party usa is not communist?
well i know nothing about it really so i cant say much
Than is their a real communist party in usa?
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:18 am

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so, your insinuating that communist party usa is not communist?

I'm not insinuating, I'm stating it. That is not a communist party at all and their nomenclature just helps to give a misguided image about communism

Sill wrote:

well i know nothing about it really so i cant say much
Than is their a real communist party in usa?

I'll leave that question to be answered by a comrade with more knowledge on the revolutionary movements within USA.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:15 pm

By you being narrow minded, I mean you seem to look at things in one perspective, which, ironically, is the same as what most Capitalists do. To you Capitalism is not an option, Capitalists would convert to Socialism if given a chance, Capitalists automatically don't understand Socialism, just because they are Capitalist, and their beliefs are 'wrong'. Capitalists are uneducated people, because they are not socialist.

To me, this is how you appear to think.

(and do you say its slander cause I speak as if I'm quoting you?)
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:47 pm

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By you being narrow minded, I mean you seem to look at things in one perspective, which, ironically, is the same as what most Capitalists do. To you Capitalism is not an option, Capitalists would convert to Socialism if given a chance, Capitalists automatically don't understand Socialism, just because they are Capitalist, and their beliefs are 'wrong'. Capitalists are uneducated people, because they are not socialist.

Capitalism, in my view, could only be an option in case most people were aware of its implications, had experienced the options to it and yet after all that had decided to accept that system. That cannot happen unless socialism is implemented broadly enough.

However, it's senseless to think that people will want to go back to a system in which a handful of guys determine their way of living after realizing that, once organized, they can self determine their way of living in all senses. I don't tjhink people would like to go back to a system in which they have to break their backs for a master or have to thrive through some sort of enslavement once they freed themselves from it.

That's why I don't think of capitalism as an option. It is a proven fact that people within this system are mostly ignorant and do not have the proper chance to critically analyse their socioeconomic environment being thus unable to realize how they got to that point, that they can get out and how they can get out of it.

I see and understand the capitalist perspective. The only way in which you can accept capitalism as an educated and aware individual is by consciously agreeing with exploitation. Unerstanding "exploitation" as a kind of relationship in which someone harnesses wealth and power at the expense of others.

Liche wrote:

To me, this is how you appear to think.

I wouldn't expect you to have a proper understanding of my way of thinking since you barely read properly my posts often jumping to conclusions or replying without having read them thoroughly.

Liche wrote:

(and do you say its slander cause I speak as if I'm quoting you?)

No, please read again what I said. I'm simply saying that you're slandering because you engage in untrue accusations and I say that you have slandered again because you have tried to defend your self with yet an untrue accusation.

Just for track not to be lost: You had accused me of banning people for their ideology. That accusation is not an opinion it is an argument and an unfounded one. As an unfounded accusation it is slander.

This time you have accused me of warning you for slander every time you speak your opinion or criticize me, funny enough, by making a reference to another time in which you engaged in slander. This is another unfounded accusation and thus slander. You are trying to debunk an accusation of slander with slander itself by implying that you are accused of slander every time you speak up your opinion or criticize me.

I repeat, saying that someone bans people for their ideology is a very direct accusation that requires evidence. If you fail to provide said evidence being your accusation rendered untrue, it is slander. It is not an opinion, it is an accusation. It is not a subjective truth, it is objective.

Based on this, you are saying that every time you speak your opinion or criticize me, you are warned of engaging in slander even though the only time when you were warned of engaging in slander has been when you actually engaged in it. Again, this is an untrue accusation and so is slander.

Again, you try to debunk the accusation of slander against you by employing slander.

Before replying, read thoroughly what you are going to reply to and make sure you have understood.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:17 am

Sill wrote:
so, your insinuating that communist party usa is not communist?
well i know nothing about it really so i cant say much
Than is their a real communist party in usa?

Socialist Labor Party of America is probably the closest thing.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:45 pm

I havent seen anything bad that CPUSA has ever made. I thik they are going the right way to strengthen communism in capitalist fortress USA.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:36 pm

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I havent seen anything bad that CPUSA has ever made. I thik they are going the right way to strengthen communism in capitalist fortress USA.

By endorsing Obama? O_o

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:19 am

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I havent seen anything bad that CPUSA has ever made. I thik they are going the right way to strengthen communism in capitalist fortress USA.

Quoth the reformist.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:03 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
I havent seen anything bad that CPUSA has ever made. I thik they are going the right way to strengthen communism in capitalist fortress USA.

By endorsing Obama? O_o

US = Two Party System

CPUSA = Third Party

Third Party = No win

they figured Obama would help the country, keep in mind they are also Americans.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:16 am

Liche wrote:

US = Two Party System

CPUSA = Third Party

Third Party = No win

they figured Obama would help the country, keep in mind they are also Americans.

This has nothing to do with the arguement. Kenzu stated that they're in the right way towards communism, he didn't state that they were endorsing Obama for they thought he would help the USA. I'm asking him if endorsing Obama is part of the right way towards communism.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:49 pm

I am saying that they endorsed Obama because he would make it easier for the transition towards Communism by helping to structure the economy.
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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:56 pm

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I am saying that they endorsed Obama because he would make it easier for the transition towards Communism by helping to structure the economy.


Your post doesn't imply that in any way. And, if they do think so, then they're absolutely wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:40 am

Zealot_Kommunizma wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
I havent seen anything bad that CPUSA has ever made. I thik they are going the right way to strengthen communism in capitalist fortress USA.

By endorsing Obama? O_o

They endorsed Obama? Jesus, i knew they were a shitty party, but i had no idea it was this bad...

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PostSubject: Re: What is Socialism? What is the difference between Communism?   Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:46 am

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They endorsed Obama? Jesus, i knew they were a shitty party, but i had no idea it was this bad...

That's what i thought, since when do communists support Liberals?
Anyway...i tried to scrounge up the official declaration of their endoresment, but failed to do so Sad
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